Tucker and Ian Carroll respond to the Epstein Files, Pizzagate & the Demonic Global Crime Network
I came away from watching this firmly believing that yes, there is a pedo ring of very well-connected, powerful, and usually wealthy people who used code words centered around pizza and grape soda for sex and perhaps much worse with children. (More than 850 references to pizza in the files, many implausibly related to actually eating pizza.)
One comes away from this believing that elites throughout the West are hopelessly compromised and complicit in unutterable evil. These people are blackmailable, very likely on behalf of Israel (with former Israeli premier and head of military intelligence Ehud Barak as Epstein’s handler). In the U.S., the corruption is in both parties and there has never been a real investigation or even questioning of the dozens of people involved. Parts of the investigations that have occurred are laughably amateurish (“Please send us the hard drives from your computers”). This continues under Pam Bondi and Kash Patel. The media were complicit in the cover-up, framing Pizzagate as concocted by a bunch of conspiracy-prone nuts who claimed Hillary Clinton was behind it. (No one claimed this.) There is some indication that the released files were intentionally made difficult to analyze and there may well be false information thrown in to make the truth more difficult to find.
Prior to seeing this, I was unaware of Ian Carroll. Excellent on Israel and much else. Here’s one of his posts on X, replying to Elon Musk:
That AIPAC purchased the seats of about 90% or more of our current congress. JFK famously wanted them registered as a foreign agent right before he was shot and thus they changed their name and never registered. Why are we letting a foreign lobby buy off our congress? That Israel was obviously the state sponsor of Jefrey Epstein, whose handler was Ehud Barak, ex head of Israeli military intelligence, his funding was Les Wexner one of the world’s richest Zionist ‘philanthropists’ and he was accused by ex Mossad assets of being Mossad. Not to mention the Maxwell connection. (They had blackmail on Clinton, and many, many more.) He who holds the blackmail holds the leash- just ask J. Edgar Hoover.
That Israel is the only nation who has a defacto sanctioned, yet actually secret and unsanctioned nuclear program. A program that they stole from the United States- look into the Apollo affair, NUMEC, the Dimona nuclear facility. That jews, muslims, and christians lived side by side in peace in Palestine before the Rothschilds purchased the country from Britain during WW1 (see the Balfour declaration) and began their colonial program.
That the groups that founded Israel, Lehi, Irgun, and Hagannah, were declared terrorist organizations by Israel itself because their tactics were so deplorable (bombing British and Palestinian civilians) yet these three ‘paramilitary’ groups rebranded to form the IDF and their leadership became the leadership of Israel for the following thirty plus years.
That Israel is a foreign nation halfway across the world that has no business receiving my tax dollars. Why are we sending them billions of dollars of our tax money while our country burns, is overrun by illegal immigration, etc? We are told Israel is our ‘greatest ally’ so why would they have had a massive spy network targeting US government agencies leading up to sep 11, 2001 – see the Israeli art students DEA report for copious evidence of Israeli surveillance all across the continental US. This is an official government report that cites hundreds of incidents of observed Israeli surveillance teams documented by US government agents all across the continental US. And we still have received 0 answers why there were numerous fake Israeli moving companies positioned all across the eastern seaboard leading into September 11, 2001 and we have multiple eye witness reports, as well as hard photographic evidence that they knew the attacks were coming at least a day before they did and that they were positioned at a vantage point to photograph the attack up to a half hour before the first plane hit. Never got any answers- but you can read the official FBI reports about the incident. I’ve broken them down live on X before.
That’s just a small list of some of the best documented reasons why I, as an American, don’t want Israel receiving any of my tax dollars. And I didn’t even mention my obvious objections to the collective punishment, mass surveillance, forced starvation, bombing of refugee camps, brutal murdering of women and children that’s been going on in Gaza and the West Bank for years, decades- which you can watch in graphic detail right here on X. And that’s not to mention that somehow we let congress pass laws outlawing ‘antisemitic’ speech, despite our own first amendment. And we have anti-boycott legislation in multiple states, despite the fact that it’s perfectly legal to boycott American companies… just not Israeli ones.
Every content creator knows the fastest way to get demonetized, banned, and slandered is to be critical of Israel. I figured you would have realized this too after what they did to you and tried to do to X last year.
Video: Tucker Responds to the Epstein Files, Pizzagate & the Demonic Global Crime Network with Ian Carroll
Transcript:
Tucker [00:00:00] So if you’re one of those people who’s been wondering when we’re gonna find out more about the Jeffrey Epstein story, who’s asking for disclosure, or at least wanting more disclosure, the dump of more than three million Epstein-related documents a few days ago by the US government is, well, pretty amazing, but also kind of a mixed blessing. Because in that cache of material is a lot of tantalizing information. There’s also a lot stuff that’s Maybe not true. There’s some stuff that seems kind of fantastical and it’s all there together. And you could ask yourself, well, why is that? Could this be an attempt to discredit the whole story by throwing nonsense in next to clearly true information? I mean, possibly. We can’t know. All we can do is assess what’s on the internet right now. So, included in that. Document dump or a bunch of emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein To and from people whose names we know and in a lot of cases people whose name have been redacted for whatever reason We can’t know why they were redact. We can guess There are text messages There are videos there are photographs. There are all kinds of attachments documents and there are also a lot of statements from anonymous people some named people that may or may not be true, including people who just called into some sort of tip line with information about Epstein, including statements from confidential human sources that may not have been taken under oath. Who knows? There’s just a lot of stuff there, and some of it seems kind of ridiculous. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Some of it seem worth following up on. So how do we assess it? Well, that’s going to take an awfully long time. Most people don’t have the time. So we thought it would be interesting just to start with a very narrow slice of the material. And that’s the emails and texts that we can be pretty sure were sent from or to Jeffrey Epstein that pertained to the question of food, specifically pizza. And that caught our attention immediately. Pizza, people talking about pizza, adults talking about Pizza and pizza parties. Now, why did that catch our attention? Of course, because it evoked memories of this semi-forgotten story from about 10 years ago. Known as pizza gate. That was a wild conspiracy theory thought up by like the QAnon retards on the internet, the conspiracy theory about pizza gate, it sounded so absurd. And we’re about to get into much more detail about what that original theory was and what it may have actually meant in just a second. But it all began, as you may or may not remember, with another trove of information that hit the internet 10 years ago, WikiLeaks to be specific, released in 2016, a bunch of emails from John Podesta. High official in the Clinton and Obama White Houses, to and from a bunch of people that mentioned the word pizza or pizza parties in ways that seemed totally inorganic, just weird. In fact, in ways that suggested the term pizza was a code word for something else, something dark. And people on the internet speculated at great length that pizza was actually a synonym for or sex with children, ugh. And this was immediately dismissed, of course. And turns out there was probably a lot more there than a lot of us perceived at the time. And again, we’re gonna get into that in just a minute with Ian Carroll, who’s taking a very close look at this. But back to the most recent document dump, there were a lot references to pizza, like a lot, by some counts almost a thousand in these documents. Some of them probably were just to pizza. You don’t want to read too much into anything. Because you start imagining that you see things that aren’t actually there. But if you read, I don’t know, exchanges like this, let’s read one, see what you think. And we’re quoting. This is an email to Jeffrey Epstein, we’re told by DOJ, on April 6th, 2018. Quote, this is better than a Chinese cookie. Let’s go for pizza and grape soda again. No one can understand. Maybe, you know, there are a lot of fit adults like Jeffrey Epstein was pretty fit for a middle-aged man in 2018 who are regularly eating pizza and grape soda. Or maybe they’re talking about something else. Maybe this is code. So it’s worth considering anyway, right? But it was this exchange that made us think, whoa, wait a second, maybe the long-debunked conspiracy theory about Pizzagate wasn’t actually debunked, and maybe someone should take a closer look at this, given Epstein’s documented history of sexual abuse of young people. So here’s just one exchange. This is the one that stopped us in our tracks and made us think, oh, wow, we should know more. This is an exchange, according to these documents, we’re not alleging anything, but this is what’s on the internet from the DOJ. This is on the DOG website. This is in exchange between, and apparently a text exchange, between Jeffrey Epstein and, we think, a urologist, a physician who was treating him, apparently for erectile dysfunction, in the spring of 2018. And that physician’s name is Harry Fish. Again, we’re not alleging anything. We’re just gonna read what’s in this, okay? This is the doctor texting Jeffrey Epstein and I’m quoting, and they’re going back and forth on stuff. And he says, I’m back. Can call you in Stendra 100 at Zitmer. Now, Stendra is apparently an erectile dysfunction drug like Viagra, and he’s prescribing it to Jeffrey Epstine, who apparently. And Epstein writes, how many? And the doctor writes back. Have your call yet? You have refills available, call them back. Thanks, they wanted you to call. Epstein says to his, apparently to his urologist about the erectile dysfunction drugs. The doctor writes back, I just did. You can pick them up now. And here’s the line that inspired the segment you’re about to watch. After you use them, after you use the erectiles dysfunction drugs, after you take Viagra or its equivalent, We’re quoting. Wash your hands and let’s go get pizza and grape soda. Call me. So to all the people who dismissed out of hand this conspiracy theory about Pizzagate, oh, it had nothing to do with sex or kids or anything elicited at all, it wasn’t a code word. They was eating pizza. Here you have apparently Jeffrey Epstein’s urologist telling him that after you take your erectile dysfunction drug, after you become sexually potent again, Wash your hands and join me. For pizza and grape soda. Okay, now, you don’t have to be a total wacko to see the connection between a pizza and grapes soda and what sounds like some kind of illicit sex act, again, committed by a guy with a documented history of illicited sex acts with young people. So the obvious question is, what is this? The second obvious question is has anyone in federal law enforcement talked to the surviving member of this text exchange, which would be this guy, Harry Fish, whoever he is, apparently now a pharma executive, has anyone talked to him, not arrested or indicted him, but just like sat him down and said, hey, pizza and grape soda after taking an erectile dysfunction drug, what were you talking about? Speak slowly so we can understand into the microphone. Has that happened? This is not an attack on Donald Trump, obviously. It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s not an attempt to crush the Republican Party or influence the 2028 primary. It’s like a question that any American should be allowed to ask, which is are federal law enforcement officials doing their best to stop the sexual abuse of young people? And that’s kind of a baseline requirement, you would say in a civilized country, that federal law-enforcement make a good faith effort to stop people from molesting kids. And maybe this isn’t. Evidence of child molestation, but if it’s not, what is it? What is it and is anyone trying hard to find out what it is? We would hope someone does really soon and more broadly, what does this tell us about one of the most amazing stories of the last 10 years, 2016, the WikiLeaks dump of John Podesta’s Gmail account, there was a lot in there, a We were told the Russians did it. We ended up going to war with Russia over that, really. That’s when the whole Russia thing started, was in that story. But now that we’ve had 10 years and now more information, like, should we reassess what that really was? Ian Carroll has been thinking a lot about this. We think he’s meticulous and honest and careful and responsible. And so we’re really pleased, grateful in fact, to have him join us now. Ian Carroll, thanks so much for doing this. Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Ian Carroll [00:10:10] It’s a great intro because you ask so many pertinent questions.
Tucker [00:10:15] Well, yeah, I mean, look, there’s so much here and everybody who’s even paying a little bit of attention is getting text after text or pulling up acts and seeing all this wild stuff. And, you know, I want to be as responsible as I can and just be very honest. Like, I have no idea what a lot of this stuff is. And of course, partisanship and actual partisan battles are distorting the way people look at this. But I just wanted to pick one narrow slice, no pun intended, one slice of it. And try to figure out what we’re looking at here. So do you mind, I know that, and I’m a bad source for this because I didn’t take pizza gate as seriously, maybe I guess as I should have at the time. Can you, would you mind just giving a recap, a basic recap of what this pizza gate theory was and what we actually know about that story?
Ian Carroll [00:11:06] Yeah. It’s another one of those stories that was distorted by the apparent coverup or at least distorted by media’s response to it, which was very much a straw man style response in that these emails get dumped online full of everything that was in John Podesta’s and John Preston is a very powerful and connected man. And there was lots of stuff in those emails that was overtly concerning, politically concerning, like geopolitically concerning. But people on the internet then started to notice these strange pizza messages, messages about $40,000 worth of hot dogs or something like that being flown to DC for parties. Things that are just like, wait, wait a minute. You think about it for just a moment and you realize that that does not make sense. And overt references to children, too, like the these kids ages like seven, eight, and nine, or I forget the exact ages, will be in the pool and it’ll be heated and they will be there first. It’s like, wait, what are we talking about? So, people started to dig into what these weird emails were. And then they started to take into the fact that there’s certain pizza places referenced a lot, places where these people are going and hosting parties. They start to notice that this one pizza place in particular, Comet Ping Pong, which was a pizza place right in the heart of DC that was run by a very politically connected DC insider boyfriend to the founder or owner of Media Matters, a bunch of strange coincidences. They start to notice all these strange coincidences around this pizza shop. And they noticed that the Instagram of this pizza shop is full of very disturbing images of children. Things like children taped to tables, things like commenters talking about. Rape and sexual abuse, things like comments about kill rooms, and just so much disturbing imagery on a public Instagram account for a public pizza place that has photos of Obama having pizza at it. That in these emails, Podesta is talking about going and having lunch at this pizza place with all these very high level political people. And it started to get very strange. And… And so… Pizzagate itself spiraled out into a lot of questions and concerns and genuine investigation. But then it got distorted by the media response, which felt a lot like an immune response to a dangerous virus. And the media’s response then packaged up all of these very legitimate questions that never got answered. And it repackaged it as These crazy people on the internet think that Hillary Clinton personally is running. She’s the top. She is the head of a satanic pedophile cabal. And the whole thing is being run out of the basement of this pizza place. You see the absurdity of the sort of wrapper they put around this, which no one was claiming that. No one was claim that Hillary was running it. No one was saying that it was all out of this piece of pizza. They were just asking a lot of questions about very legitimate strange things. And then a very weird event happened. Where as the media is running this big smear campaign on these questions, a guy conveniently walks into that pizza place with an AR. Shoots the place up, doesn’t hit anybody, but manages to shoot a bullet straight through the hard drive that’s in the back room somehow, and gets arrested by police very publicly. They have a big photo shoot and he gives a couple of sound bites as they’re hauling him off that are something to the effect of, I was so convinced that it was all real and that it is all here and it’s just not, or something. And, and so it’s like. Wow, that is sure convenient that, good thing that Hillary Clinton is not personally running a giant satanic pedophile ring out of the basement of this pizzeria, which no one was alleging. And that was sort of became the wrap-up smear, as Nancy Pelosi has described to us in the past, how a wrap-ups smear works, where you wrap a problematic narrative up in a false representation of it, and then you have something crazy happen. Dangerous, crazy, objectionable happen around that. So then you can look at it and say, that’s dangerous. These conspiracy theories are dangerous. And anyone that engages in these conspiracy theories is dangerous. So we can censor them all off the internet because it’s been debunked. Don’t pay attention to the fact that the guy that owns the pizza place that has the images of children on their Instagram is the boyfriend of the guy who runs Media Matters who is one of the primary debunkers of these things. So. Those are the sorts of weird things that happened around the breaking of Pizzagate. And no one ever got any answers. No one in government ever took it seriously. And all those emails are still out there floating. They’re harder to find these days, but they’re still out. And the Instagram accounts were preserved in various formats online, archived. So you can still find a lot of the evidence, but it’s a lot harder to verify now because you do make a great point about the current email release, that a lot of bullshit gets mixed in, and a lot of stuff of questionable veracity gets mixed in. And so you have to be very careful about sourcing it all, especially 10 years down the line with something like Pizzagate.
Tucker [00:16:51] Mask is, do you know if it’s true, and I believe it is, but, so the man you just referred to who shot up Comet Pizza in Washington, which by the way, was like very close to my house where I raised my, I brought my children there because it was the pizza place in my neighborhood, which the whole thing is so weird. One of the reasons I didn’t take it seriously, I was like, oh yeah, that’s right. That’s on Connecticut Avenue. It’s too close to it. But the guy who shot it up, who seemed a little bit off, was just shot to death last month, right before these emails were released by police in North Carolina, who pulled him over, apparently on suspicion that he was a fugitive of some kind. I don’t think that he wasn’t. They said he reached for a gun and two cops killed him. That guy, that same guy, was killed right before the document released. Is that true?
Ian Carroll [00:17:43] I heard the same reporting. Obviously, at this point, I don’t really know what’s true. The whole world feels a little bit like The Matrix, but yes, I read the same recording and the nuance was not lost on me. But I don t know about you or anyone else, but I was in no way expecting to find pizza references in the Epstein files. Even though I had dug deeply into the Pizzagate stuff and even though we know that Jeffrey Epstein is. A human trafficker that is trafficking in the same things that PizzaGate would allege gets pizza references, I wasn’t expecting any pizza references. So it kind of blew my mind when suddenly there’s like 800 and something references to pizza in these emails. And especially you picked out some really, really great, like obvious ones at the opener there, where I mean like pizza and grape soda is a very overt. That I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone actually.
Tucker [00:18:46] As a pairing. Well, and also, I mean, these are people, well, first of all, in this exchange, apparently one guy’s a physician and the other is Jeffrey Epstein. And these are health-obsessed people. These are people who talk about getting blood transfusions just to extend their lives. And I know as an actual pizza fan that pizza is very unhealthy. I mean it’s been a lifelong struggle for me. Pizza and grape soda? Like these are the last things that people who care about their health eat. And these are, there’s a whole class of people who are, well, vain for one thing, but who are very focused on themselves and their physical health. And it just sort of, I don’t know, it’s a lot for me to believe that the one thing that Epstein’s friends and John Podesta’s friends have in common is they both have a steady diet of pizza and grape soda. Like I…
Ian Carroll [00:19:39] And not only do they have a steady diet of that, but they feel compelled to email each other about it with very weird verbiage. How many grown men email each other about getting pizza or about how tasty the pizza was or about how many slices you can slice a pizza up into or how many people will be at the pizza party? There’s another email in the current dump that is even stuck out to me because it has the word red hook in it, which at first I didn’t have the context and I was it seems suspicious, the words Red Hook, where someone was emailing asking if another guy can go to Red Hook for a pizza meal later. And then in looking into it, it turns out that Red Hook is the address of where Jeff Repstein’s Virgin Islands businesses are domiciled. It’s on the marina where you would leave in the boat to get to his island. And so then it gets, then it’s almost weirder. Someone was emailing, asking if… Another man can go to where Jeffrey Epstein’s business is domiciled for a pizza meal. There’s a lot of emails like that where people ask if they can use the apartment for a bit or if we can go get pizza for a few hours or for 30 minutes. That’s a pizza get reference as opposed to these emails. A lot of these times where they’re using food language in ways that does not square with how food actually gets eaten or talked about.
Tucker [00:21:08] Has anyone been asked about this? I mean, a lot of the people in these exchanges or apparently in these exchange are still alive. Some of them are prominent people still, including apparently the doctor in this exchange. Do you know if anyone has just been asked in a straightforward way, what was this?
Ian Carroll [00:21:31] Sense Pizzagate as far as I’m aware. I mean, to be fair, it’s all a little new. We’re all, we’re still in the first week here, but no, I don’t know of anyone being asked directly about any of these references or about any more overt stuff for that matter. The other very rich and powerful people that are caught with their pants down, so to speak here. A couple of people have issued apologies, a couple people have resigned from positions, But it’s entirely underwhelming. The official response, because it’s one thing for someone like you or me, journalists to go and ask questions, which is good and should be happening. But that’s not what should be happen, what should happening is law enforcement should be at their door knocking and asking these questions. We should have institutions that are there asking these question and many more. I mean, this is a particularly interesting and dark thread when you really unwind it. Obviously all the other threads of just like, hey, you went to the island. Hey, you said you never talked to him, but you did. So, and none of those questions are being asked. Um, they were being told that it’s all a Democrat hoax and that. Cash Patel would arrest someone if there was anyone to arrest, so it’s very underwhelming.
Tucker [00:22:49] Yeah, I mean, I always am suspicious of people who kind of jump ahead to things like arrest, conviction, incarceration, execution. Like, how about let’s just start with an interview? And, you know, I know a lot of people have been interviewed by the FBI. I know hundreds of people been interviewed. Well, exactly. But in the context of a federal investigation, it’s not crazy to call somebody. In fact, it’s common, it happens every single day, happened to Like every relative of every J6 prisoner got called in, sat down, can we come talk to you? I mean, that’s not weird. That’s the beginning of justice. That’s that’s the first step in finding out what happened, punishing the guilty, exonerating the innocent, is having these conversations in the context of a federal investigation, like an FBI interview. And I find it very strange that none of this has happened. And so when you see. People on television say, well, we don’t have the, you know, any evidence to indict someone, you know. A panel of grand jury, it’s like, I don’t know who talked about a grand jury. Why don’t you just ask questions of the, your the FBI. And if they’re not doing that, then you sort of wonder why. So let me just, okay, so here’s the bigger picture that you’re qualified to provide and I’m not. The implication of this and a lot of other things in this file dump is that there are basically religious rituals, sexual in nature, that’s very common through history. There were temple prostitutes for a reason. There are rituals involving children underway in the United States and the West, rich and powerful people, sexually abusing young people. That is very hard for a lot of people to believe or metabolize, but it feels like That’s not totally crazy, like that happens. Does that happen?
Ian Carroll [00:24:49] Absolutely. It’s so dark that it’s hard for average people, regular people that are just trying to live their lives to even approach it. You cannot put yourselves in the shoes of someone so depraved. And honestly, regular Americans can’t even put themselves in the shoes of a millionaire, let alone a billionaire, because they’re just trying to pay their bills and they can’t, because… The billionaires are doing certain, these billionaires, at least, are doing certain things that are messing everything up. So it’s so far removed from our regular experience that it’s hard to understand and believe, but it is, I mean, there’s been good evidence of elements of that in various kind of fringe investigations for a long time. And I don’t say fringe to mean they’re unreliable. I mean fringe to say that they just never get traction with the mainstream media for whatever reason. Right. But it’s right there in these emails and in these files. And it’s not entirely clear what all of it means, but there’s very overt references, there’s covert references, and there’s just mounting because people are still digging through them. These are millions of files and no effective way to sort through them the way that the DOJ put them out. And so the evidence is mounting more and more that we have everything in these files from people that were turning a blind eye. Which is also reprehensible. People that were adjacent and complicit, people that were directly complicit. People, that were straight up evil and disgusting. And then people that venture into the demonic or the truly depraved. And people that have been following this story have known for a long time that unfortunately that’s always been a part of it. And we’ve of. Most all human trafficking networks. The people that are doing human trafficking by their nature are some of the most depraved people on this planet and it’s an enormous industry and it’s not getting any smaller. And it’s tragic that it takes something so overt as this massive blackmail ring apparently blowing up in the middle of the United States government and across the entire world. And then trailing out in a like 10 year long cover up almost seven year long cover up for people to even like confront that this is happening, but it’s definitely happening. Um, not everyone in the files is, you know, participating in ritualistic sacrifices or anything like that. And there are fake things in the file that are yes, for whatever reason in there. Like for one example, one that went very viral is there’s an image in the Files of a cutting board. With chickens on it and like a black box censored out, but there’s like a foot sticking out and it’s obviously a baby’s foot. And the implication is that it’s a cutting board with some chickens and like baby and they’re going to carve it up and eat it. By my understanding, that is a fake image. It’s kind of hard to tell what’s real and what’s fake at this point. But there’s stuff like that in there that’s like… There’s just a lot of really messed up stuff in there, but there’s also a lot of people running away with a little tidbit for views or clicks or likes or whatever it is. And so it’s really important that people pump the brakes, slow down, and go to the original source files and look for people that are citing their sources on the files that they’re referencing. And when they make definitive claims, they show you the files that they are talking about. Because a lot of people are making claims that are actually objectively untrue or are based on a small morsel that has been blown up into a whole meal of great content, but not necessarily great journalism.
Tucker [00:28:45] I’m really almost overwhelmed by the coverup of it and by the people I know who participated in that. And I’ll just name two of them. One is Bill Barr, who’s the two-time attorney Republican attorney general, whose father, by the way, started Jeffrey Epstein’s career. His father, Donald Barr, was a former OSS CIA officer. In the files, I should also say that Jeffrey Epsteine describes Bill Barr the former AG. As quote CIA Jeffrey Epstein privately says this guy’s CIA. Covered up Epstein’s murder, clearly murdered, in federal detention, Barr said out loud we got to make sure everyone thinks this is a suicide. Why isn’t he being asked about this? And the second is Mike Pompeo. And Mike Pompea was caught plotting to murder Julian Assange, the head of WikiLeaks. Why is this significant? Well, because it was WikiLeak’s that made that first tranche of emails available to the public. And it was Julian Assanche who said on camera, basically said, my source, he didn’t say this. He didn’t my source but he heavily suggested in an interview with Dutch television, my source was Seth Rich. The DNC staffer who was found murdered on the street in Washington in a so-called robbery where nothing was taken from him. That investigation was taken over by the FBI. What? Why? And Assange goes on Dutch television and says, I can’t see who my sources are, but they face great risks. You couldn’t pull up the interview right now and look at it. And then he points to Seth Rich. And the interviewer is like, wait, are you saying Seth Rich was murdered for this? And Assange is like look, I cant tell you who my source are, but my sources take great risks, Seth Rich just got murdered. I mean, that couldn’t be clearer, right? It was right after that, that Julian Assange was incarcerated, first in an embassy in London, and then in Belmarsh prison, never charged with a crime. And that was pushed by CIA and Mike Pompeo. And it’s like, wait a second, shouldn’t someone ask Mike Pompeio? Like, what is this? What is this, these are real allegations, they’re credible allegations, and rather than follow up, You’re punishing the guy who brought them to light? Tell us how that works, Mike Pompeo. Is it, I mean, Mike, Pompeo is like wandering free and no one asks him about this. Like what is going on?
Ian Carroll [00:31:08] Ian Carroll. Every time I talk about this story, every aspect of the story from Pizzagate to Epstein, everything in between, I always have to try not to get angry because when you think about, especially for me, the coverup, it makes me so furious how regular Americans are going to jail over smoking a joint or going to jail, over paying taxes that are getting sent overseas anyways. Or going to jail over a parking ticket they can’t afford, whatever it is, this madness in this country where we are law-fared to death, but these obvious criminals and these people that we at least have obvious questions for are just walking free. And you bring up two really great points that, I mean, in both cases, I think it’s obvious that those actions are being taken on behalf of whatever criminal organizations or happenings are being exposed, for example, in those emails. Dumps that Seth Rich probably leaked, because it wasn’t just pizza gate stuff. It was also all sorts of Benghazi stuff, all sorts Hillary Clinton stuff, and all sorts other really serious stuff that also was never asked of the appropriate parties. But I mean, when you start talking about who’s still walking free that we should be asking questions of and we’re looking at the Epstein investigation, that list immediately grows to like a hundred miles long. And we got in one of the document drops that happened a couple of weeks ago, and then we re-corroborated it multiple times since then, we got a list of 10 co-conspirators that they have had for years from one of their old investigations that just never happened because Cash Patel has been telling us there are no co- conspirators, there is no organization, it was just him alone. But we’ve got a document saying that they had 10 co-conspirators, one of whom was Leslie Wexner. They’re named. And the list is long, like there’s pilots, we know their names, Larry Vysotsky. There’s three different pilots. There’s a bunch of other madams like Elaine Maxwell, but, you know, assistants that were helping to recruit girls. There’s bunch of people that were trafficking models and bringing models in and out. There’s just this long, there’s an enormously long list. Of people in various roles all around Epstein that we know full well were at the very least deeply suspiciously involved, where they should be asked some very serious questions. I mean, right up to Ehud Barak, who by my accounting looks like the handler of Epstein. He certainly looks like we have all these emails from both Ehud Barrack’s email server now, and from Jeffrey Epstein’s trove of documents that corroborate them doing… What looks like intelligence operations all around the world and in the United States. So there’s just an endless number of people that, like you were saying earlier, that we could at least investigate because it’s in the name, the Federal Bureau of Investigation. And they keep on giving us this line as though like, well, we’ve got emails, but it’s not illegal to party with Jeffrey Epstein. And it’s like, we’re not asking you to read the emails, we are asking you to investigate all of the myriad suspicious things that are documented here in these files and emails. And instead of getting investigation, we’re getting what looks like cover-up, denial, distraction, anything, anything but investigation.
Tucker [00:34:44] And it kind of makes you wonder why. Well, it definitely makes you under why. And part of it is the political dynamic, which poisons everything. And Trump is obviously sensitive to partisan traps after the Russian nonsense, which was a lie. Russiagate was a lot. By the way, Russiogate was constructed, in my view, in part to cover up the origin of the DNC emails in 2016 and the John Podesta Gmail dump in 2016. Neither of which was done by Russia. Clearly, you know, there’s a lot more there. We’re not allowed to ask questions about Seth Rich. I don’t know why. Seth Rich’s parents don’t own that story. I feel so sorry for them, of course, but I’m an American citizen. And if someone is murdered on the street in Washington tonight, we all have an interest in asking, what was that? That’s not an attack on his memory. It’s a demand for justice in the name of every single American, not just his family. Don’t get to shut it down, sorry. Et cetera, et cetera, like all of this gets to the foundation of our system, which is justice is every citizen treated the same under the law or not. And if not, then we need to fix that. And I know that Trump is really worried this is a trap laid for him. I’m sure it is, but let’s set that aside and ask about the rest of us and whether our country can continue on the same basis that we assumed we were living under, which is again, one of equal justice under the laws. So, um… Can you just go through some of the questions? And I think both of us are trying to be really responsible and fact-based here. Clearly there’s nonsense in this document dump. Don’t wanna get trapped by it, don’t wanna fall for it, okay? But on the basis of things that we can say with some certainty are true or seem to be true, what are the questions that you, having gone through this for several days now, think that we should be asking, following up on?
Ian Carroll [00:36:42] Well, there’s questions for a lot of different people and some of them are more serious and some of the more maybe less serious. One of the biggest ones in many ways is how did we let Bill Gates be in charge of the medical decisions of our entire nation when apparently he was trying to slip antibiotics to his wife secretly because he transferred sexually transmitted diseases from hookers on Jeffrey Epstein’s islands to her? That is insane. And when you look back at the crime against humanity that COVID was and you realize who Bill Gates is and who he’s exposed to be in these emails, that’s atrocious. But that’s less of a question we need to ask and more of a person we need just forget about forever.
Tucker [00:37:33] Right. Well, first of all, I just bless you for saying that and you put it so well this is the guy who is making health decisions for the entire world and Apparently from these emails He’s trying to slip a drug into his wife’s drink because he infected her with a venereal disease from a Russian hooker So yeah, I mean that’s just like that’s to me. Thank you for that. That’s amazing
Ian Carroll [00:37:58] Yeah, that’s apparently our health professionals, our pandemic response. But I think that everyone that’s in the files has a certain amount of answering to do. For example, Elon Musk. And to Elon’s credit, at least he’s out on Twitter at least putting his words forwards. I don’t know, is they all square with me when you actually read what he said in the emails versus what he’s saying on Twitter? Is the truth. I haven’t seen anything that directly completely 100% contradicts one another, so to speak. So there’s reconciliations of because that for people that don’t have the context, there’s a bunch of emails of Elon Musk trying to sort of organize going to party with Jeffrey Epstein and explicitly saying, no, I want to go to a wild party. I’m not trying to have a relaxing vacation. I’m really stressed. I want a wild part. No big deal if it’s a bunch young girls. But also, it’s… Doesn’t appear that they ever actually managed to make that connection happen for a party. They kept missing each other. He did have lots of meetings with them. So there’s those sorts of reconciliations that need to happen. And then there’s the overt lies, like Peter Thiel’s connections to Jeffrey Epstein that have repeatedly been a moving goalpost of, I kind of knew him and I was kind of introduced to him to like, actually, you’ve got a whole bunch of emails with him. Actually, he funded your venture capital firm. With hundreds of thousands of dollars. Actually, clearly, this relationship was much more extensive than you displayed at first. The same is true of Howard Lutnick. Howard Luttnick, who is the Commerce Secretary right now, neighbor of Jeffrey Epstein, is on video in an interview explicitly, explicitly saying that I met him once way back and immediately knew he was a creep and me and my wife had to go and we never talked to him ever again, never saw him, never whatever. That’s not true. He’s in the emails, obviously like going to that. He took his family to the island. They were hanging out together. They were going to parties together. So there’s a whole spectrum of scandal for various people that I think needs to be answered for individually. And then there’s sort of the collective government answering that needs to done for the current administration and all of the various, because, you know, let’s be clear, the partisanship, it is so past time for partisanship right now. This is an American issue. It’s not a left or right issue. It’s just a Trump issue. It’s a not just a Bill Clinton issue. It’s an everyone issue. It’s corruption issue. And if there’s anything that should bring Americans together, it’s harm to our children. And it’s subversion of our nation using the harm of those children. There’s a bunch of people in Trump’s circle and around him that are very much implicated in these files. There’s obviously a bunch a Democrats that are super implicated in these file, everyone all around Clinton, Clinton himself, insanely implicated. So it’s not about which side is which. To me, the question there is, it’s about our government institutions answering to How have you let this corruption seep in and rot this out at its core? And in many ways, I think the heart of who needs to answer for that is our law enforcement institutions, our FBI and our DOJ. And I can’t think of anybody who I’m more disgusted by right now in our government than Cash Patel and Pam Bondi for their gross misrepresentation of what this is and their blatant moving of goalposts on the way here. And what to me, in my opinion, looks like direct obfuscation. Now that we’ve seen these files, now that we have read these documents, go back and re-watch what Pam Bondi said, what Cash Patel said, and what Dan Bongino said about how there’s no evidence that he trafficked girls to anyone. There’s no there’s evidence that you worked with anyone in any big conspiracy. It’s mind-blowing to see these files and we don’t even have them all yet. And that’s what you would come up with.
Tucker [00:42:17] So, well, and to your last point, we don’t have them all yet. My understanding is a little over 3 million, I think, documents, however that’s measured. They’re not documents, they’re digital images, whatever. But that there are a million or more than a million more, this is like one tranche in a series.
Ian Carroll [00:42:36] It’s a little unclear. We were told that they had over 6 million. And so now that we have 3 point something million, speculatively, there’s several more million to go. But we don’t really know as far as I’m aware exactly what they have. And one thing that I think we’re at a time where it’s important to remind the American people because a lot of people actually didn’t follow this story for a long time. Of people didn’t read the literature that’s been written on the case in the past. A lot of people don’t realize that it came out in the Glenn Maxwell trial, sworn FBI testimony like the testimony of FBI agents. It came out that when they first raided Jeffrey Epstein’s home, and they found all those binders with all of those CDs in them that we now have photos of, of like CSAM did not scan, CSAM, did not scan. We’ve got all the binder photos with all the different little photos in it. They, at first, found those binders and all those CDs and all those drives. And they photographed them all and did not take them with them because it was not within the scope of their warrant. They left and left all of that material there with Jeffrey Epstein’s staff at his place. And then they later asked them to send it to them. And it was sent to the FBI by Jeffrey Epstine’s people. And they had no way to corroborate if any of it was untampered with, basically. They didn’t even raid several of his properties. And some of the properties that they did raid. They basically had advanced warning, namely the island. So it’s important to remember that, A, we don’t have all the documents that they actually do have yet, but B, the actual documents that they do have is built on such a pathetic original collection of evidence. Not because like all the FBI agents were corrupt and didn’t wanna do it, but because something in the system, something in nature of how how this thing was protected, prevented any real acquisition of evidence where maybe they could have gotten, I’m sure they could have got in a lot, but you’re not going to get a whole lot when you raid the pedophile’s mansion and say, hey, would you send me all your hard drives in a week? I would love to take a look at them, right? And so when that came out in the Glane Maxwell trials a couple of years ago, It was just sort of like a big slap in the face to the whole… The whole idea that we’re ever going to get any real justice here kind of reminded me of like MKUltra, of what we have from the MKUlter documents is mind blowing and messed up and completely unbelievable. But people often forget that actually Dick Helms Our understanding at this point is that Dick Helms burned and destroyed well over 90% of the actual files that once existed about it. So we’re dealing with a slice of a slice, of a picture at this point.
Tucker [00:45:33] MKL tra, um, you know, approaching 60 years ago, this stuff is like, I mean, some of these files are seven years old. Um, and the people engaged in these colloquies are still around it. By the way, I know some of them, um. Which gets to the other point, which is like how was Jeffrey Epstein at the center of everything, every global star, I mean, he was going back and forth on Libya, you I was going. Back and forth in the global financial crisis. It’s like there’s really no- He was deeply involved in the global financial crises. He was actually selling CDOs. Okay, so can you just, I mean, there’s so much here and I hope when I’m- Yeah. We’re in the same place- Yeah, you actually- Through this in much greater detail, but can you tell us what we know about that? Jeffrey Epstein’s involvement or intersection with the global financial crisis, what’s that?
Ian Carroll [00:46:29] Well, the intersection with the global financial crisis specifically is a wild story that to be truly told, you need to put the evidence on screen as well. But the short version is that he had a company called Liquid Funding Limited that was domiciled in the Bahamas that was partially owned by Bear Stearns. And Bear Steerns is where he had come up for a long time. And Liquid Funding Limited was selling CDOs. The same types of CDOs that eventually caused the global financial crisis. It was capitalized at, I believe, $100 million and allowed to sell 20 billion with a B of CDOs. And I actually just was looking at that statistic earlier today because this is the craziest story. And that little CDO factory that Jeffrey Epstein was running… Tied into Bear Stearns. And if you recall, Bear Steerns was one of the, you know, the first to collapse, right? That shut down in the months directly preceding Bear Steurns starting to collapse. And Jeffrey Epstein. Redeemed all of those CDOs, all of those assets. The terms are, I don’t know the technical terms for what he did, but basically he made a run on the bank on those exact assets that were the exact problem. And he was tied into the exact bank that was financially distressed. And then he wound that whole company liquid funding limited up and disappeared. J.P. Morgan, the bank that he later worked with after Bear Stearns was his early banking career, and then he later was doing all of his money laundering and banking and referring to people at J. P. Morgan. They came in, swooped up Bear Steerns for pennies on the dollar. They also later spun Liquid Funding Limited back up. There’s a very overt financial paper trail that Jeffrey Epstein was… Better acquainted with the problem than almost anyone in the world because he was deeply enmeshed in Bear Stearns and knew the leadership of Bear Steerns very well. And he understood CDOs and he was selling CDOs. And then he just so happens to wind his whole shop up and close it down and redeem it all right at the moment when things are about to go bust. So, that’s a wild rabbit hole and it’s very interesting.
Tucker [00:48:54] But I mean, that suggests, or it doesn’t suggest it’s like direct evidence of, if I’m assuming we can verify what you’re saying, that like the biggest events in the world are actually not quite as organic or accidental as were led to believe, and that this is like puppet master stuff. I mean it is. I don’t know what to say. I don’t want this to be true, but that’s what it looks like.
Ian Carroll [00:49:22] Yeah. And the reason why I feel comfortable saying that is because I actually did produce an entire YouTube video on teleprompter with my sources directly in front of my face. They’re on screen. It’s on my YouTube right now. Yes. I think it’s titled Jeffrey Epstein knew, or he knew. And I put it out middle to late last year and walked through document by document. Not that we know for sure. Not that he like, you know, schemed it with his Illuminati buddies, but he was right at the heart of it, had all the knowledge of it. He was deeply connected all the parties in it. And then the timing is just so coincidental. And yeah, it does start to make you wonder about how much of our global events are orchestrated versus not. But then you know, you think about the global pandemic, and you think that we’ve got documents in the F-Scene files that they’re talking about getting a war in Ukraine started, and how that’s going to be good for business. And so these files have a lot of these world events sort of woven throughout them. Either directly or indirectly, it’s sometimes hard to say. But the reason I think why Jeffrey Epstein is at the center of so many of these things and at the central so many circles and at center so many important and powerful networks in our world is because Jeffrey Epsteine was a professional money launderer. There’s this facade as though we don’t know how Jeffrey Epstine made his money. And then there’s also a lot of people that will erroneously report. That Jeffrey Epstein made his money in legitimate ways, but then got into crime or whatever. That is not true. Jeffrey Epsteine went from legitimate-ish banking at Bear Stearns, where he was managing private wealth for clients, and then in the 80s, he went into his missing years where he said that he was a bounty hunter for billionaires. But we have lots and lots of evidence that during that time, he was working with arms Douglas Lees, Anand Khashoggi, and Robert Maxwell. And getting into… Money laundering for arms dealers, because he was exceptionally good at complex financial transactions using derivatives, using tax havens, using charitable structures of complex charitable organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative. And he got better and better throughout his career at basically committing complex financial frauds, like the tower financials fraud that he was a major part of. And so… When you get to the end of that line and he is getting into the actual human trafficking side of it, the blackmailing side of it. Money launderers are the node that all criminal networks have to flow through. Money laundering is the network, the node that any… Because it’s not just like money laundering for criminal stuff. It’s also if a billionaire wants to shelter their taxes or wants to pay less in taxes. And you can read the reporting about how Jeffrey Epstein referred Bill Gates and Sergey Brin and Benjamin Netanyahu and Larry Summers to JPMorgan for banking services. He referred a bunch of the wealthiest, most powerful people in the world to J.P. Morgan for banking services, right? Which is completely nonsensical if you take it at face value. But when you realize that that’s like… How when you’re in high school and you need to like know the guy that knows the weed dealer in order to get into like, you know, the back door. It’s like you need that trust network in a criminal space because criminals have to operate on trust. And so it’s like, you know a guy that know a guys to get you in the backdoor for the back door of the banking system is what that looks like to me. And who would know that better than Jeffrey Epstein. And so, there’s this… False narrative that we don’t know how he made his money. We don’t know what the network like. We that we don’t, know don’t. Know don’t know. And what that means is that those people have not read what we do know. Um and there’s a lot we still don’t know. But uh how Jeffrey Epstein made his money and why he was at the center of so much is not not the great mystery that it once was anyway.
Tucker [00:53:25] So here’s my big picture concern, is that, you know, all these, our country and the entire West, you, know, the structure is representative democracy, some version of that, like the people rule. And it is therefore, these are all voluntary systems, like people participate in the system, they pay their taxes, they obey the law, they vote. They abide by the results of those elections. All of this is just voluntary because we all believe that despite corruption and imperfection, the systems themselves are legitimate. They’re kind of run on the basis of what they tell us they’re doing. This is all for our benefit. If people decide that it’s all fake, it’s totally corrupt, our welfare has nothing to do with why these systems are running. It’s all like a scam. I don’t know, like, what happens then? When you know this much about the corruption, can any of these systems continue? And I should just say, for whatever’s worth it, I like a lot of these system. I grew up with them. Like, I’m for democracy, I am for, you know, transparent justice and all that stuff. I’m not for tearing it all down, but I just, I just started to wonder, like, can any this keep going, now that we know a lot the truth?
Ian Carroll [00:54:45] Yeah, that is the million dollar question. And think, so I’m 33 years old right now, and I’m sort of of the 9-11 generation. And I shudder to imagine how a 21-year-old must feel today or a 15-year old must feel today. Because even at my age, as sort of like a still younger kind of adult moving into like my generation is supposed to be moving into leadership roles and moving into positions of. Of taking on the mantle of leading our country in the next five to 10 years. And we all grew up in this world where the first thing we knew as young thinking adults was 9-11. And every event since then has felt like a facade. It’s all felt like lies. It’s felt like deception. And it’s culminated in this moment where we get this massive dump of information that just explicitly tells us that all the way back to Bill Clinton’s presidency and even before in a lot of ways. Our government has been blackmailed on behalf of a foreign malign malignant sort of an interest that then when we all we all see in 2019 that this guy gets charged they get all this evidence it is now 2026 that is seven years of the American government doing absolutely nothing with this. With this case, not prosecuting anyone, except for Galain a little bit, not ask any questions, no investigations. We’re like, we’re told that this is America. We’re told this is the greatest country on earth. What you would expect then from any decent country or any decent person, if you shrunk this down to a smaller frame of reference, is you would except that you deal with it. You deal with. You don’t let… People abuse children. You don’t let people blackmail your politicians. You don’t, let people control your financial networks through coercion and bribery and control like this. And so when people in their twenties and thirties and, and everyone of every age sees that for, for decades now, our nation has been co-opted from the inside. And then when they find that co-op option and then still nothing is done. In fact, it’s actually actively covered up. Almost 20 years now since the initial sweetheart deal. Yeah, I don’t know how you come back from that. And that’s where it feels a little bit more like, you remember that? There’s a famous tape that goes around of Yuri Bezmanov, I think his name is, describing KGB subversion, subversion of a nation and the stages of subversion. It’s I kind of shuttered to think this part of it all through, but it really does make me feel like almost like we’ve been cast from worth being controlled to now just being subverted because when you’ve been that deeply compromised for that long. It’s almost reminds me of the man that has let his values slip for so long, has been lost in the bottle for so, long or has been cheating for so long that once the lies all come out, once the pain all comes out, it’s like there’s no man left. That’s an unacceptable state of being. That’s a unacceptable answer. I’m trying to raise a family in this country. I’m trying to, you know, raise children. I’m trying to have a future. And so, so… I think there’s people at all different stages of grief with this thing and rage with this thing. And I think that maybe people that skew olders maybe skew more towards trying to ignore it. And I thing that people that screw younger maybe also giving up about it. But I’m somewhere in the middle where it’s like rage because we’re supposed to have future here. And I’m of the generation that’s supposed to be here to do something about it. And everyone in, you know, from my generation up to like, Gash Patel’s generation, for example, everyone of power, it seems to be just… Weak and spineless or unwilling to do something, unable to do something. So I don’t know what the solution is, but it’s just, it’s unacceptable to me that there isn’t.
Tucker [00:59:23] That’s right. But you also like in at the end of what you just said, you said people younger than you Just accept it. I mean older people can’t deal with it. It’s too much It’s two different from what they previously believed and I understand they they’re tormented by it. Like I I don’t believe this It’s all crazy And by the way, i’m probably close to that generation. I am closer than you are and I kind of felt that way Yeah, this is too crazy. This can’t be real. I took my kids to brunch a common pizza I know the guys who own it Like there’s no way this can be real, right? I mean, I’ll just admit it. I felt that way. I was wrong, obviously. So, but I get that. But much more disturbing is not just that boomers are, you know, out of it, we knew that, but that young people are just like so, basically have been made, let’s just be honest, so decadent in their thinking that they’re just like, yeah, of course, you know? Like of course we’re ruled by satanic pedophiles. Like, how terrible is that? That people are growing up in this country just assuming that the most grotesque crimes are the way things are.
Ian Carroll [01:00:30] It’s terrifying. It’s absolutely terrifying. It’s like the generation of children born into the camp that have never known anything else. Right. They’ve never known the freedom. They’ve ever known the sunlight. And for me, somewhere in the middle there, when I look at what that future looks like, if you let that subversion slide into one more generation, It’s like, is it maybe that you never come back out? Do you never have a respectful country again? Do you ever have the will to stand on your two feet and stand up for your rights as a human again? Because I’m somewhere in the middle there where like, I at least remember when we all believed that we had a country, when we all believed there was democracy, when we all believe that there was something going on here and that we would have a future. And looking at young people growing up. Starting to accept that this is just the way it is and that nothing will ever be done. I shudder to think of if this generation doesn’t pull it together and do something about this, and instead we let the next generation grow into just being sedated by all the flashing lights and the phones and the TikToks and the whatever else and just kind of sliding into the soma of it all. So to speak. That is the most horrifying idea in my mind ever. And that’s like rage against the dying of the light. There is no worse fate, in my opinion. Like death before sort of that slide down into the matrix, so to say. And it does feel like this at the time. It feels like it’s… When is the time, if not when 3 million documents come out?
Tucker [01:02:26] Obviously, we’re just, I mean, I’m, you know, traveling. We’re not, this just happened. You can’t process this stuff quickly enough. I mean this is, we are just touching the surface of what’s there, trying to sort through what’s true and what’s not, or even just to absorb it, like what’s in those documents. So this is just the beginning, but I’m grateful that you do this because I think you’re an honest man and I measure that with one, in one simple test. Are you willing to admit if you’re wrong? You have demonstrated it again and again. If you think you’re wrong about something, you have to say, I think I was wrong about it. So that’s what an honest man does. So I think you are honest, I think that you are obviously very smart, you see the big picture and you care. So I just wanna end on two questions. Where for people trying to assess this is a place to get more information about these documents? Like where, as a- Practical matter, like where can you go to fight? You can’t just like scroll through Twitter all day. Like where can find stuff, the primary documents? And two, what threads are you, you personally, Ian Carroll following up on, like really getting into in greater detail and where can people find them?
Ian Carroll [01:03:39] Um, my recommendation for where people should go to look into this for yourself is to double check for yourself. Basically is you should pair two things together. One should be the primary source and it should always be the primary source, which is justice.gov slash Epstein. And you should have that website open and you should the search bar right there. And anytime you see a reel on Instagram or a TikTok or something on X, you can pause that and you can screenshot it and you zoom in and you look at the words that are in that email or in that correspondence. And if you string together three, four, five words exactly as they appear in what you’re seeing and you put those words into the search bar, you’ll find that email immediately. Because there’s only so many emails that have thank you for including me last night in it. And if type thank you including me last night into that search bar. You’ll pull up this one that I have on my screen right now, where it ends with, it was fun to catch up with all the girls. And so that is a way that you can, anytime you see someone referencing something that’s in these files, take a quotation out, plug it into that search bar and double check it for yourself. Because there’s a lot of stuff, like it went super viral, that Jeffrey Epstein was Zora and Mamdani’s dad, which is not true at all. And it was just like running away with this mad social media energy. So double check things for yourself. That’s where I would go. I mean, and so with that in mind, then you’re equipped to go watch YouTubers and go watch TikToks and go scroll X if you want to and just absorb it however you want to absorb it just remember to think for yourself and double check for yourself and take your time because there’s so much here that a lot of people are jumping on narratives too quick. A lot of are chasing clicks too much and it’s gonna take months and maybe even years. Know, if the DOJ doesn’t help for us to actually unravel everything that is in there. So take your time. As for me, I’m actually working on a tool designed to help everyone do this. We’re naming it Web after Gary Webb, and we’re going to give it out to everybody. Where we’re just going to put all the documents in and cross-reference them all. We were kind of like using a bunch of complex AI because I wanted to do it. And my buddy was like, hey, we can build that way better. Basically building a tool where instead of just having a search bar, you can have conversations with all the documents, but actually have them primary sourced right there. So that when you want to know what’s in the documents you can get summaries of them. You can ask questions about you can search them all, but I actually have the original primary sources there. So that’s actually what I’m kind of like diving into really hard this week, because it’s, you know, I can search for the word pizza and pull up 851 results and open them one by one, all day long. But ultimately, this data set is just way too vast. And we need to make tools that let journalists dig through it in complex ways. Because obviously, the DOJ wanted it to be… Let’s say that I suspect that the DOG was not very interested in making them very accessible, as noted by them not giving us zip downloads to even download them with this time. So, trying to make them more accessible.
Tucker [01:06:57] Can I suggest a thread, you know, for a younger, more energetic man to follow up on? Absolutely. And that’s Epstein’s fixation on genetics and biotechnology. And it’s very clear to me, well, much is not clear to be at all. And I don’t understand this category very well, I’m not a scientist, a geneticist, but I have noticed, not just with Epstein, but with a bunch of people in Epstein orbit, that there is a fixation. On genetics and changing genetics and improving people and cloning and really kind of tampering with the material of life in a way that someone who believed he was God would or someone who’s involved in the supernatural would. I mean, there’s really heavy stuff here and that really, really matters. And I have not seen anybody go into that in a methodical way.
Ian Carroll [01:07:54] I absolutely agree. There’s a bunch about genetics and there’s actually some stuff about transgenderism in there that’s very fascinating and tend to look into that. And then one other thread that you remind me of that I’ve been digging into actually for a couple of years now and then was just producing moron because there’s a punch more on it is his Hollywood media connections through this woman named Peggy Seagal that is… She is one of Hollywood’s most famous madams that had her book of contacts that was getting Epstein into all these parties. And she’s one of those nodes of this connection, this network that was immediately pushed to the side and hidden in the shadows. She was blacklisted from all of Hollywood immediately. And I am very suspicious about why that was and why that still is. And so there’s just loose threads in so many directions. And I kind of get led by what’s the most like, for example, the genetics, what’s the most, like messed up or scary or sketchy, um, direction that he’s going. And then the other thing that kind of pulls me in a direction is what’s the most uh, where’s the, where is the dig that looks like there’s the most in it about whatever topic. Um, and so those are two that very much have my attention.
Tucker [01:09:14] In Carol, thank you for taking the time to do this. Again, we’re just at the very beginning, but I just, I felt like a lot of us, maybe all of us are being manipulated in the way that we respond to these files. Clearly we are. And so I just wanted to stop and reorient what we know is true at this early time and how should we be thinking about it. And as usual, you just delivered. So thank you. Appreciate it.
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Photo released by House Democrats on the Congressional Oversight Committee on December 12, 2025, showing Jeffrey Epstein and Alan Dershowitz. (Photo via House Oversight Democrats)
