Thinking about Civil War II

Lately a lot of people—31% in a recent poll—have been thinking the previously unthinkable — a civil war. Specifically, they agreed that “it’s likely that the United States will experience a second civil war sometime in the next five years.” Moreover:

Women and those under 40 are more worried about a possible civil war than men and older voters are. Forty-four percent (44%) of blacks think a second civil war is likely in the next five years, a view shared by 28% of whites and 36% of other minority voters. Whites are also less concerned about political violence than the others are.

There’s no question that the level of polarization we see now is greater than perhaps any time since Civil War I. There is simply no common ground any more. Absent a complete capitulation to their policies (which is not going to happen), there is literally nothing that Trump can do that would be approved by the liberals and the left. The weeping that we saw after the election has turned into cold anger at Trump, his family (Peter Fonda wanting to “rip Barron Trump from his mother’ and put him in a ‘cage with pedophiles'”), and everyone in his administration (e.g., Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Scott Pruitt harassed).

And President Trump realizes this. When Maria Bartiromo asked Trump what he could do to “bring the country together,” Trump talked about the loyalty of his base, implying that searching for a common ground is pointless. And he issued a warning:

But if recent events are any indication, the other side is not going to “take it easy.”

So what would a Civil War II look like? It would be very different from Civil War I. At a superficial level, it would be Republican vs. Democrat, but the dividing lines go much deeper. Race would be critical, as Whites constitute at least 90% of the Republican Party. The racialization of politics has been going on for years and will continue its steady increase as we head into the future, civil war or no civil war. It’s common now for media figures like Tucker Carlson to feature items that indicate the rising explicit hatred toward the White majority that is so common on the left.

It’s almost as though the left has gotten ahead of itself. I expected the hatred toward Whites to be held in check until the glorious future when Whites are a minority and relatively powerless.  But, as usual, there’s a vanguard of people leading the charge — and an audience eager to plug into anti-White hatred. You might say they are tipping their hand. The hatred we see now on Twitter and on media outlets like Salon, MSNBC and Huffington Post is getting more and more obvious.

So, predominantly it would be Whites against everyone else, although a minority of Whites would be on the urban/non-White side, as well as some Asians (and maybe even some Jews) and others who realize that a White America isn’t so bad after all. But the other big divide is the rural/urban divide. Big cities voted overwhelmingly for Clinton, rural areas for Trump. As a result, I’ll label the two sides White/rural and non-White/urban, realizing there is certainly some overlap on the rural/urban dimension.

In general, the White/rural side is well-positioned for Civil War II at this time. Whites are still overrepresented in the main types of social control where violence is a possible outcome. For starters, the White/rural side is relatively well armed. A Pew survey found that White men were the most likely group to own a gun.

Four-in-ten men (39%) say they personally own a gun, compared with 22% of women. And while 36% of whites report that they are gun owners, about a quarter of blacks (24%) and 15% of Hispanics say they own a gun.

White men are especially likely to be gun owners: About half (48%) say they own a gun, compared with about a quarter of white women and nonwhite men (24% each) and 16% of nonwhite women. …

Regionally, Northeasterners stand out as the least likely to own guns: 16% of adults who live in the Northeast say they own a gun, about half the share who say this in the South (36%), Midwest (32%) and West (31%).

Across all regions, gun ownership varies considerably between those who live in rural and urban areas, with rural dwellers far more likely than those who live in urban areas to say they own a gun. Overall, 46% of Americans who live in rural parts of the country own a gun, compared with 28% of those who live in the suburbs and 19% of those in urban area.

Republicans are far more likely to own a gun or live in a household where someone owns a gun:

As noted in a previous TOO article, by Cooper Sterling, “the Left’s irrational obsession with gun control goes beyond the latest mass shooting. It is endemic among the cosmopolitan literati, who loathe Middle America, to dwell on the risks associated with firearms while disregarding or minimizing the benefits of firearm ownership.” As noted there, Jews and Jewish organizations have led the campaign against gun ownership. In any case, if Civil War II were to break out in the near future—before the left can achieve its goal of abolishing the Second Amendment—there can be little question that the White/rural side would have an advantage both in terms of gun ownership and in being able to use a gun effectively.

However, civilians, no matter how well armed, are no match for a trained military equipped with the latest technology. Whose side would the military be on? Given that there are large percentages of non-Whites in the military, there would likely be conflict between different factions. Nevertheless, White males have a clear majority (60% overall), especially in the Marines and Air Force, and especially in the officer corps.

In general, the higher ranks of the officer corps are increasingly White (Air Force). In 2016, 72% of Army officers were White.

Moreover, military personnel appear to have voted overwhelmingly (>2 to 1) for Trump; an exit poll favored Trump 61%-34%.

What about the police? It’s worrisome that in areas like Berkeley, Charlottesville, and Portland, the police have stood down when antifa attacked peaceful right-wing protesters. However, this posture was decided at the top by local elected officials who are overwhelmingly on the left. In general, the police could be expected to favor the White/rural side. The largest police union, with around 333,000 members, endorsed Trump for president, including more than 2/3 of their National Board.

Moreover, Whites remain overrepresented in local police departments compared to their share of the local population, often because demographic change has happened so rapidly: “Despite efforts to become more diverse, minorities remain underrepresented to varying degrees in the vast majority of larger police departments throughout the country. Particularly in jurisdictions experiencing rapid demographic shifts, police largely do not reflect the racial and ethnic makeup of their communities.” For example, Milwaukee’s police department is 63% White even though Whites are only 37% of the population.

Bottom line: The White/rural demographic would do quite well if and when there is Civil War II. The quote at the top of this article concludes with “Whites are … less concerned about political violence than the others are.” For good reason.

What types of events could precipitate a civil war? One possibility would be events like the shutting down of ICE offices in large cities. In Portland recently, leftist protesters shut down an ICE office for over a week, with the city and state doing nothing to stop it (apart from directing traffic—the mayor et al. were entirely on board with shutting down a federal building). As a result, Department of Homeland Security officers were sent in to restore access to the building, with eight arrests.

Department of Homeland Security personnel guarding the entrance to the ICE building in Portland.

One could imagine this sort of thing getting out of control, with the protesters bringing guns and the federal government responding in kind. Then the same thing happens in other urban areas, leading to large-scale deployments of troops but with fracturing and infighting along ethnic/racial lines within the deployed units. Not beyond imagining as the political atmosphere continues to deteriorate.

I agree with Enoch Powell: “as I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'” All the utopias dreamed up by the Left inevitably lead to bloodshed—because they conflict with fundamental human nature. The classical Marxist Utopian vision of a classless society in the USSR self-destructed, but only after murdering millions of its own people. Now the multicultural Utopian version is on the verge of collapse. Given the very large Jewish involvement in these projects, the big picture is that the thrust of Jewish power has been to create societies envisioned as being good for Jews, inevitably advertised in idealistic, humanitarian terms. It never ends well.

Better that the blood be shed sooner than later. When we look back on this era, we do not want to be forced to say that what we did was too little, too late, as happened ultimately to the 1924 immigration law. All of the measures of White representation in the forces of social control will continue to decline in the coming years given the continued deterioration of the demographic situation. At this point, even stopping immigration completely and deporting illegals would not be enough to preserve a White America long term.

The left and its big business allies/lackeys have created a monster. Whites have to realize that if they do nothing, they will be increasingly victimized and vilified in the coming decades as the monster continues to gain power. Better sooner than later.

101 replies
  1. GSR
    GSR says:

    The Elites here and in virtually all Western/Caucasian countries have nothing but contempt for their own people and want to import a “new people” – new voters for big government, new employees at depressed wages (thanks to an over-supply of labor) and enjoying the self-satisfaction of worshiping “others” while wallowing in their own ethno-masochism. Pathetic.

    • Duane Staab
      Duane Staab says:

      Fix the demographics. Obama was biased to third world, nonwhite refugees. Turnabout is fair play. Trump is biased towards Caucasian refugees from Enrabia and Southern Africa. I do not care if I’m called a racist or bigot anymore. I’ve been “white shamed” to death, I don’t hear you anymore.

      • Tito Perdue
        Tito Perdue says:

        Western Civilization is a white creation; no one else could have done it. On that evidence, we must acknowledge that racism is a wonderful institution that should be rejuvenated and inculcated in schools and in this journal. It is the last barrier to global homogenization, and represents the default position of 99% of humanity over 99% of historical time.
        A natural and indeed necessary sentiment, racism is just one method for people to evaluate others in accord with their genetic quality. Without racism, the world today would be dominated by Neanderthals, or by the class of people who mostly inhabit sub-Saharan Africa. Civilization requires the leadership of fully-evolved individuals; those areas governed by less advanced races fall quickly into barbarism as we see in so many places today.
        In normal times, racism is so universally experienced that historians hardly bother to call attention to it. It is only in diseased and perverted eras, like our own, that elites rail against this ineradicable and precious human attribute.
        Hate, too, is a necessary and valuable component of life, and anyone devoid of hate – (I’ve never known such a person) – isn’t living a complete life. A healthy society will never try to sequester such normal emotions, an effort forever destined to failure. I myself have a full supply of hatred and loathing and racism, which I take out every night and polish to a high sheen.

    • Ed Connelly
      Ed Connelly says:

      What an honor it is to hear from Mr. Bracken! Your three “Enemies” novels were outstanding, and I highly recommend them to TOO readers. And as you note, your essay on the CW2 Cube is very pertinent to the current article. Perhaps you will write another essay taking into account the trends KMAC has identified in the Trump era.

  2. Gary
    Gary says:

    Professor MacDonald,

    We are faced with another genocidal commie take-over like 1917 so-called “Russian revolution.”
    Same ethnics dominating the lead characters. This time backed by Chaos cult Aztecs and
    voodoo-torture loving blacks armed with 21st century weapons, surveillance technology, and
    robot soldiers. Decimation may approach 100% as peon farmers and other workers are
    redundant due to automation. We are the hated surplus now. Your “academic” reserve
    grossly understates the peril.

    • JimB
      JimB says:

      Gary, Mr. MacDonald is one of the few people you need to correct or admonish when it comes to his ability to appreciate the true gravity of our situation, brother. I’m not trying to attack you, and I mean no disrespect, but Kevin is the author of The Culture of Critique… and is well-aware of the situation that we’re in right now as well as where we’ll be in the future if something doesn’t give. I think this article was spot-on, even if the text is not screaming “OMG!!! We’re in trouble!!! Lock and load, White People! Let the bodies hit the floor!!!” What you see as “academic reserve” is just the way smart people talk about things, bud.

        • Charles Frey
          Charles Frey says:

          ” Doomed ” like your name here, for such foul-mouthed ad hominem comments in lieu of factual difference of opinion. Were I the Moderator, I would have censored, at minimum censured you.

    • Jacobite
      Jacobite says:

      If I read this correctly, the writer seemed to say he expected many Asians and Jews to be on the white-rural side. Can this be the same guy who wrote CoC? Jews massacring 240,000 Akum on Cyprus in the early Christian Era (so sorry, I mean the Common Era, C.E.), and millions more during the “Russian Terror” in the USSR don’t suggest innate peacefulness towards enemies — only some prudence. Like the 1917 Red Army, the non-whites will be mostly peons, but the political commissars and the Trotsky-leader will be Jews.

  3. George Elwit
    George Elwit says:

    But what about the nukes? Perhaps because of the general feeling in the air, I was running through a mental checklist like this myself recently. But I genuinely don’t know how it would play out with the nukes.

    • Mr. Happy Face
      Mr. Happy Face says:

      There’s a dearth of small tactical nukes in the USA Federal arsenal. The Feds will get them from Israel, that has already used a few in Syria. And then there’s whatever was used at Fukushima, and where that came from…Israel, as revenge for a Japanese UN vote that got the Likud murderers’ payess all in a twist and made their beanies twirl around.
      The Big Nukes are too big to use, domestically.
      The Feds will no doubt start, if they haven’t already, developing small Airburst Neutron Devices; fatal to life but preservative of infrastructure, with little to no residual radiation. Smallish geographical enclaves of patriot rebels will be targeted with those. Envision the Upper Peninsula of Michigan as rebel held territory subject to Neutron Zap.
      How To Deal: Lone Wolves and Small Cadres in sustained, unrelenting Guerilla Ops vs. the specific individual Ruling Swine and their stooges…until the remaining Ruling Swine concede the inevitable Balkanization of this corrupted failed republic.

      • Trenchant
        Trenchant says:

        Excellent comment. The very same individualistic and anarchic characteristics that our people lament as the cause of our woes will, I no doubt, be great qualities in 4th-generation warfare.

        It is possible, though not certain, that a nuclear bomb was detonated as far back as the First Gulf War.

  4. Seek
    Seek says:

    Mindful of the possibility here for self-fulfilling prophecy — talking about a civil war really does increase the likelihood of its occurrence — this is an important article. We need to ask ourselves, “What if?” There are people on the Right and the Left whose rhetoric is a barely concealed desire for mass violence. The Left represents the far greater danger because their ideas are much worse. But the Right has a lot of repellent people, too.

    The whole point of politics — as Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Kant, Grotius, Clausewitz and others have strenuously argued through the centuries — is to avoid war, not to wage it. If more people took their lessons to heart, there would be less idiocy and threats masquerading as political discourse. This isn’t about being wimpy; it’s about being sane.

    • Jacobite
      Jacobite says:

      Philosophers aside, I’d guess that they’d all agree that avoiding war over questions of policy or economics is one thing — avoiding war when the issue is whether or not you’re going to keep living or not is another.

  5. Deep North
    Deep North says:

    In the short term, the police and military are not on our side. They will “follow orders” to protect their pay and pensions. I think we will need to reach 1960s style rioting and social dysfunction or a major economic meltdown before civil war 2. We’re $20 trillion in debt, that type of deficit spending can’t go on indefinitely. The biggest losers in this struggle will be the self-loathing white liberals.

    In a civil war, the US military would kill a lot of civilians, but they would ultimately lose. Good luck in trying to occupy the continental US. No doubt many white conservative servicemen would remain loyal to the government due to fear or propaganda, but I believe the shock troops would be non-whites, Jews and white communist.

    The novel “Patriot Dawn: The Resistance Rises” lays out a realistic scenario of a societal brakedown/ civil war.

  6. JimB
    JimB says:

    “Better that the blood be let sooner than later.”

    Exactly. Because if it happens later, after the millions of breeding non-Whites’ children have grown up and had children of their own, and we Whites have fallen in number to a large minority, our liberation will be much, much more difficult to achieve. Not impossible, mind you, because White people, when put in a pinch are incredibly resourceful and tough,… but, nonetheless, the sooner the better. And I’d say that almost 100 percent of us on the dissident-Right agree.

    Excellent article, btw.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      “White people, when put in a pinch are incredibly resourceful and tough,”
      Provided they do not want to shelter and help their own white communists. You cannot win when 10% are against your own side and you do nothing to address this.

  7. Duane Staab
    Duane Staab says:

    Demographics are easy to fix. Obama was biased toward 3rd world nonwhite immigrants and refugees. Trump plays the same bias game but reverses it 4 to 6 years of open door majority white refugees from Eurabia and Southern Africa. Turnabout is fair play.

  8. Charles Frey
    Charles Frey says:

    Not a particularly pleasant but realistic prognosis.

    A couple of problems, neither posed nor answered: and some comments and imponderables.

    01 Reverting to my previous Paul Revere comments; how will we vitally communicate to carry out our actions ? A flick of a guarded switch will cut our phone and internet, as easily targeted as if one had omitted to pay one’s bill.

    I would be surprised if these lists of targets were not already in the possession of certain groups with regional offices, to be implemented on Day-X.

    02 If some of our in-house electronic wizards have a solution, now would be a good time to share it. But it best not be based on an uninterrupted electricity supply, for the above reasons.

    03 A Guelph, Ontario, very successful electronics entrepreneur had started out as a Canadian pioneer in ham radio. Decades ago, Red China had hired him to train thousands of Chinese in this art, before being able to build their own communications capacity for their political hegemony.

    Regrettably we can discount that method here, except for the few, already prepared survivalists, who may not see their survival as improved by throwing in with the greater masses.

    04 The transportation industry will be among the first to collapse, due to sequestration of trucks and fuel. Hunger and starvation will be the first triggers of a complete collapse of law and order: with the police first guarding their own families, leaving the field and the adjacent Upper East Side to those willing to murder for sustenance, and out of a feeling of retribution.

    05 Simply comparing relative numerical strength is unrealistic. Long before I tripped over this site, I had formed the opinion, that it would take three Bundeswehr troopers to handle a Slavic soldier who was not obliged to wear a hair-net because his hair was cut short.

    Their comparative cruelty, as amply displayed in WW II, would easily translate to those here, propagandized to perceive themselves as century-old victims of an institutionalized underclass.

    06 I well remember the many unbearably packed train trips my mother and I [ 5 or 6 at the time ] and hundreds of others, took to provincial and agricultural parts outside of Berlin, in order to barter her residual, not yet robbed personal belongings for anything remotely edible.

    07 The Americans have a shorter fuse than the Canadians and will start the initial insurrection. Our ca. 55,000 Ontario Provincial Police will have to guard the border, principally vis-à-vis Detroit, Sarnia, etc., whose people will be prepared and armed to kill: rather than barter. Egged on by hundreds of lesser, just as effective swine as Ehrenburg.

    08 Assuming we win, here are my recommended ‘ magnanimous ‘ peace terms:

    a Pass legislation allowing 30 million unvetted immigrants into Brooklyn, Queens, Miami-Dade, Chicago, Los Angeles and Portland, with the strictest proviso and control methods, that they remain there. With allowance for other cities who just can’t continue to live without them.

    b Cancel the Fed, AFTER relieving it of its gold, both domestic and foreign [ and even Czarist ??? ], warehoused in the cellars of the NY Fed and in Fort Knox [ if any ].

    c Discontinue all transfer payments from Washington to these places and decline to cover any of their costs, particularly those encumbrances on them brought about by their idealistic bliss.

    d Like Versailles, include a sole guilt clause, but explain, that we found this a more equitable solution than withdrawing to our own white ethno-territories.

    09 I wonder whether the older polled people were to busy swilling beer, or whether, like myself, they merely thought, oh well, part two of the movie !?

  9. Pierre de Craon
    Pierre de Craon says:

    What follows is less a criticism than a note on a matter where local disagreement is likely to be scarce.

    Should this civil war occur, it would be the first war, not the second, on US soil that was truly a civil war. In the tendentiously named Civil War of 1861–65, the secessionist states of the South were not trying to take over the rest of the country. They were simply fighting to free themselves from the rule of Lincoln’s DC regime, a regime several orders of magnitude more oppressive than that of the relatively benign King George III.

    For the reason just stated, “the War between the States,” the once-common Southern name for the war, is truer to the facts than “the Civil War.” Truer still is “the War for Southern Independence.” Should the new civil was discussed above come to pass, I pray that the future will see it as the first stage in the War of the Repatriation of the Christian West.

    • Barkingmad
      Barkingmad says:

      @Pierrre. Don’t forget “War of Northern Aggression”. 🙂

      About that Christian West – it’ll have to be a reformulated version.

      • Pierre de Craon
        Pierre de Craon says:

        I didn’t forget it, as it happens. “War of Northern Aggression” has long been my favorite—I’m guessing it’s your favorite, too, eh? But as apt and truthful a descriptor as it is, it does have a pronounced censorious quality that is absent from “Franco-Prussian War” and “Peloponnesian War.”

        As to reformulation, you’re correct, I fear. If only the reformulation could be along lines that would be recognizable to Louis IX of France!

        • Barkingmad
          Barkingmad says:

          @Pierre. Not really. I usually just call it The Civil War when speaking because it’s easier to say and there’s no point in getting people’s hackles up if I don’t know them well. Everybody knows what The Civil War means, even though in this case it was not truly such, as you say. Just a standard issue attempt at independence.

  10. Charles Frey
    Charles Frey says:

    Replacing the White population of the US would be enormously assisted by first re-deploying US Forces to engage in an Israeli-initiated ME conflagration with Iran at its center.

    Most of the forces you listed as possibly or likely fighting on our side would thus be deployed elsewhere in the ” interest of American security “, in the ” interest of spreading Israeli-type democracy “, assuring the survival of ” our shared values “. [Puke & here it comes again ].

    Ambassador Haley could certainly be relied on, with State’s support, to save the ensuing situation domestically, by importing foreign UN troops, for ” long-ago-planned ” joint-maneuvers.

    • Trenchant
      Trenchant says:

      Such an enterprise would also provide cover for domestic action aimed at eliminating white resistence. An economic crisis might encourage even unenthusiastic whites to enlist.

    • Andrew Rudel
      Andrew Rudel says:

      War on Iran is certainly on the serving dish now, but the elite’s main course of useful ‘redirection of the hate’ will be the war on China. How dare the Chinese steal our billionaires’ hard earned world economic domination. How dare they form alliances and money-making ties with the enemies of Israel. How dare they form their own brands to sell into the Western market without giving our masters their cut. How dare they try to dominate their side of the Pacific, as if they had their own Monroe Doctrine. How dare White America want to be free to MAGA when first we must smash our owners’ main competition with all the blood we can deliver in the WW3 they will finagle. Mr. Frey is right, but the main course is ready to be served when the White Revolution really threatens to overturn the money changer’s tables. (Not to forget the warming war on Russia for trying to retain a little bit of the buffer land left after NATO marched right up to much of their border. The manipulators of Man have lots to work with to keep us where they want us.)

  11. Michael Adkins
    Michael Adkins says:

    “Milwaukee’s police department is 63% White even though Whites are only 37% of the population.”

    A clear sign (one among many) that the time has come for African American communities to police and fund themselves.

  12. Return of Shawn
    Return of Shawn says:

    This is a very good analysis. I always thought the rift was bigger in the USA during the late 60’s early 70’s though–the Vietnam War, MLK,

    • Charles Frey
      Charles Frey says:

      Yes, four dead at Kent State University. But that was prior to the preponderance of the net. Which we will be deprived of up front: leaving the monopoly of vital communications to our enemies.

      • pterodactyl
        pterodactyl says:

        It would not be hard to disrupt TV & internet if the civil war scenario reached level II

        • Charles Frey
          Charles Frey says:

          p, ” they ” would be the first interested in interrupting the internet, phones and electricity; but the last to interrupt TV, essential to demoralize us with false, ie loosing situational reports.

          During one of the many ME wars, Egypt radioed Amman and Damascus, that they had been defeated and had ceased operations. Israel intercepted the signal, and then sent it on, after it had ” cooked ” it, to read that Egypt was winning. The reason: to prolong hostilities to afford additional landgrabs.

          Communications will outweigh body counts.

  13. Samuel Nock
    Samuel Nock says:

    Am I reading the chart correctly to see that there are nearly as many White FEMALE marines as there are White MALE marines? If so, that disparity is more shocking to me that any other statistic in those tables. Overall, the White female representation in all categories is surprising.

    • Pierre de Craon
      Pierre de Craon says:

      It does look the way you fear, doesn’t it? I suspect, though, that the problem lies with insufficiently clear labeling of the graph’s elements.

      I believe that the bars are concerned solely with how male and female percentages of military personnel and percentages of civilians compare with one another. Actual numbers of men and women on either side of the ledger seem not to be under consideration at all.

  14. Karl Nemmersdorf
    Karl Nemmersdorf says:

    It is going to be an interesting next thirty-forty years. I see Trump as only an episode in American politics. The Dems will certainly get back in and open the borders. Disorder will increase. The government will become more and more tyrannical, desperately holding on to power. To me, it is uncertain whether concentration camps and mass repression appear before state dissolution and regional break-up. I think it possible that the state grows massively powerful, intrusive, and repressive. Of course, the main targets will be recalcitrant whites. If the nation breaks apart, then the question is, will the whites identify as whites? Or will there be intra-racial as well as interracial conflict? Certainly, the vast majority of the other races will be oriented against the white, but what sort of unity will the whites be able to muster? At that point, a lot will depend on what kind of leaders arise, and how the components of the military are distributed. Probably a good deal of racial awareness will be fostered among whites by the actions of the insane Left and its incapacity for hiding its intense racial hatred of whites.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      The only way the whites can survive long term is if they acknowledge that they have 10-15% of their population genetically disposed to hate the whites for being ‘better’ (I would have used the ‘s’ word instead of ‘better’ but that word is too triggering for those who cannot stand the concept) and to arrange it for them to geographically separate. Plus, any other groups who are hostile to us also have to go, but this goes without saying so I do not need to mention it again.

      This self-hating 15% is only in the white population – no blacks or Chinese or Indians self hate – they all love their own countries no matter how corrupt they are. What is the trigger that activates the hatred in the whites for whites? It could be what Kevin MacDonald describes that is more marked in Scandanavian countries – a genetic tendency that wants to stop some getting on too well. We can see how such a genetic type could do quite well in prehistoric past when there were peaceful and co-operative types who made stuff and grew crops, plus others who had lefty genes that enabled them to take off the others. For such a gene to operate properly the wiring of the lefty person would not simply be ‘why not be wicked and take their stuff?’ No, it would be ‘THEY are the wicked ones for being better, we hate them for being better, it is right that we take their stuff, we are the virtuous ones’. Hence the actual difference that marks them out in animal behaviour terms would be a hatred of the better. This characteristic in a personality explains EVERYTHING the lefties do. It explains more than saying they are seeking power or money. In S. Africa there is no end reward of power or money for lefty whites who help the blacks. Hatred of whites is the only motive.

      An equilibrium would result between makers and takers within the population in prehistoric times. Sometimes the maker type would flee as a group to harsher climes and take a superior subset of genes with them to colonise new lands. Today our hater types have taken over.

  15. Karen T
    Karen T says:

    The (((media))) is outraged and sputtering that in February a Saskatchewan farmer was found not guilty in the killing of an indigenous man while in defense of his property and recently of a white suburbanite who shot the same when caught trying to steal his truck. The name of the trucker, a Punjabi, who ran a stop sign killing 16 teenage boys has been withheld either to protect the “joys of diversity” slogan or to prevent a lynch mob from hanging him. CBC (communist broadcasting corporation) here in Canada has pretty much closed comments on all of their boards and the Liberal party, the reigning force in Ontario for the past 15 years was not only voted out but now lacks the seats to be officially recognized and it was mainly rural and small town (white) people who voted them out. The divide here is as wide as in the U.S.
    Ideally, if not for people such as Dr. Macdonald and Pierre de Craon, and the handful I have met living in cities before escaping to Mayberry, the dream solution, if of course the right people were in place to pull it off, would be to sever all contact. No trucks hauling food allowed to enter, noone allowed to leave, all services cut, left to fend for themselves in their multicultural paradise. Within a few months they would be cannibalizing each other.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      – although those who could prove their credentials & show they are not working for the enemy within could leave!

      But the solution needs to include some sort of geographical separation of types – including white lefty types who caused all our problems (with help) , for a long term solution. The lefties must be lured to a place where things are run in accordance with their animal behaviour instincts to side with the lower types

  16. Trenchant
    Trenchant says:

    The Civil War scenario would, I imagine, put an Iran front out of the question. There’s tension between subduing Israel’s enemies and those of the Diaspora.

    • Michael Adkins
      Michael Adkins says:


      I agree the article is certainly worth reading. The lefties won in the 60’s and forward by controlling the media and controlling the reproduction of European men and women.

      The lefties weak link as always are their “males, ” the hipsters, hennetaster and thrall.

      • pterodactyl
        pterodactyl says:

        The Left do well when the nation is so hugely wealthy that (1) natural selection stops working, and the population deteriorates – now if you do not want to work & just want to hang about & cause trouble, you can have 10 offspring (b) the ones who rise to the top are a different type, a lefty type. In harsher times, those who cannot do or make anything will no longer be so dominant.

    • Geremiah
      Geremiah says:

      Contrary to the article, the white right is in no position to win a civil war right now. It can scarcely boast a book club. The private attitudes of individual military or police personnel scarcely matters until there is a complete breakdown of authority or what Chalmers Johnson calls a power deflation.

      • T. J.
        T. J. says:

        Authority comes not from “their” guns. Fedgov’s authority comes from deluded Americans who still believe in the system. If this belief stops, Fedgov stops.

        The Roman Church claims its authority is from God.
        How much authority would the church have if no one showed up for mass?

        Authority comes from those who are subject to it.

        • Pierre de Craon
          Pierre de Craon says:

          One needn’t be a theist to see that the proffered analogy is formally unsubstantial. Any temporal authority is necessarily contingent upon many things, one of them being, at least conceivably, acceptance of its existence. But as divine authority—believe in God or not!—is ipso facto noncontingent, it is in no wise affected by, say, reduced attendance at Mass or dismissive scoffing..

          Put bluntly, if there is a system beyond nature and a God governing it, only those who never die will “stop” His authority through disbelief. Most people grasped this idea—along with its consequences, of course—long before Pascal formulated his famous wager.

    • Trenchant
      Trenchant says:

      @ Ian:
      Excellent article, thank you. The financial travails of the Alt-Right are humbling lesson. The money-spigot is fearsome weapon.

  17. French Balloons
    French Balloons says:

    One of the factors contributing to White overrepresentation in police departments and the military is racial differences in intelligence. Any time there’s some sort of intellectual test, you always see blacks lagging behind Whites. And the harder the test, the larger the racial gaps will be. If it wasn’t for affirmative action and diversity policies, the police and military would be even more White.

    • Barkingmad
      Barkingmad says:

      Re: Declaration of War for the culture of individual integrity.

      “WHEREAS waging war in the absence of a Formal Declaration is fraudulent”.

      Help me out here, James. What is this business of describing a war as “fraudulent” because there was no formal declaration? Declared or not, the destruction is the same and everyone just as dead. Every aggressor thinks his actions are justified and legitimate, and if he wants to make war against you, issuing a formal statement of his intentions according to some UN (or other body’s) rules and regulations is not my idea of hard work.

      The days are over when documents saying such & such matter any more. Hasn’t anyone seen the long list of violations of the constitution committed by O’Bama? Was he impeached? It’s not about pieces of paper with fancy words anymore. People are sheep or they are wolves. We have to decide where we fit in.

      • James Bowery
        James Bowery says:

        “Culture” is artificial selection. Those adopting any lesser definition of “culture” are subhuman; they deny responsibility for the evolutionary consequences of their choices. This is the subhuman status to which Boazian anthropology has relegated the goyim with its redefinition of “culture” to elide its roots in cultivation.

        So, you want to culture wolves, eh?

        Paleolithic Euroman domesticated wolves into dogs. In the process, Euroman lessened his dependence on human groups.

        Are you saying this was a bad thing because it makes us more “individualistic” hence less capable of being in a continual state of war as are other human types, who never reduced their dependence on groups?

        • Barkingmad
          Barkingmad says:

          I don’t understand what you mean but let’s let it go. In any case, “wolves or sheep” is just a symbol for character types.

          • James Bowery
            James Bowery says:

            Sacrificed dog remains feed tales of Bronze Age ‘wolf-men’ warriors —
            Find is first archaeological evidence of coming-of-age rites described in ancient myths, researchers claim

            The vocabulary of Boazian anthropology explains this in terms of “symbols”… as in the excerpt from the article:

            “Select boys of the Srubnaya, or Timber Grave, culture joined youth war bands in winter rites, where they symbolically became dogs and wolves by consuming canine flesh, contend David Anthony and Dorcas Brown, both of Hartwick College in Oneonta, N.Y. This type of initiation ceremony coincides with myths recorded in texts from as early as roughly 2,000 years ago by speakers of Indo-European languages across Eurasia, the researchers report in the December Journal of Anthropological Archaeology.”

            A real anthropologist would look at the coevolution of wolves and humans in terms of the evolution of eusociality across animal species, note that the Eurasian range now identified with “Indoeuropeans” is also the range in which we find the earliest evidence of wolf-human coevolution and then synthesize this archaeological find, corresponding to received mythology of IE peoples into an understanding of the evolutionary psychology of the ritual’s relevance to the eusocial phenotype known as “war”.

            And I have done so…

  18. ex South African
    ex South African says:

    You all know what the demographic ratio is in South Africa.

    This meant the white experienced component of the army has dwindeled away, as they resigned or moved toward their retiremend date. Some of those that remained, are still in key positions but they have lost influence. They are sitting it out until the end (retirement day). They are just tolerated by the new regime. If the USA waits until this point with its demographics, this part of the fight is over.

    As the demographics changes, the mentality also changes, I have seen. People become demoralized. The will to resistance sinks proportionally. Some individuals will always rear up, and they will be identified, caught and made a warning example by the system in order to subdue the rest of the population. If there are no persons that rear up at particular point in time, the system will create false flags. By planting false evidence at potential resisters. This is what happened in South Africa, if this could be a lesson for the USA.

    The many weapons in the hands of the private citizenry and the machine gun fests I see on YouTube – impressive but not convincing to me. It does not indicate a mentality of resistance to me. They might become potential pockets of resistance, but they can be neutralized by legislation and other demoralization measures. You must have seen how many whites gave up their firearms willingly in South Africa when the firearm licencing measures were tightened. I could not believe my eyes and ears for the excuses the people gave when I stood in the queue at a police station to renew my licence: “Too much work..I have no time for this nonsense….uuhh, uhh, uuhh”. These were people who all did their military conscription when they were young.

    Another lesson perhaps the United Kingdom. I see no resistance. The police has been bought and partly replaced by the enemy and weaklings. If I read this, I just shake my head:

    If it is not in the interest of the system to allow a civil war, they will take measures to prevent it. They do not want to loose power. They will rid the army and police of unwanted elements. There are many ways to do this. By perks and other means. If needed, by violence.

    There is a lot of talk about civil war in South Africa. If it happens, it will be a different kettle of fish, for the whites are a small minority. The civil war will be driven by the unhappy majority, and the minority will sit right in the middle of this. This could happen to the USA, if the citizenry are lulled to sleep until the very end.

    • James Bowery
      James Bowery says:

      I observed the same things about South Africa and Zimbabwe when I visited both in the summer of 2000. However, there are a reasons the US won’t go the way of South Africa and Zimbabwe:

      1) Technological changes are changing the calculus dramatically. It’s one thing when you’re relying on “firearms” (and by that I mean to include all sorts of military grade conventional weaponry, including artillery). It’s quite another when small groups of technically sophisticated individuals can cause network cascade failures with a return on investment of a million to one, without coordination with outsiders.
      2) The urban rural divide in the US is so so blatant that urban areas can be treated as a reasonable proxy for “the enemy”. This changes the quality of warfare to one more in tune with the northern European evolutionary psychology. This psychology may, at a facile* level, be seen as selected by its culture of individual integrity in a multi-millenia war with the culture of group integrity up until the very recent civilization of the last of northern European peoples. The way to visualize this difference is to see the phenotypes selected by the culture of group integrity — cities, corporations, coherent racial blocs, products of “group evolutionary strategy”, political parties, organized religions, armies, etc. — as organisms to slay or simply hunt and consume (as did Vikings much of the civilized world): “giants”, “serpents”, “vipers”, “dragons” and so forth. In other words, deep reservoirs of mythic power can be brought forth in this situation.

      *By “facile” I mean that this deep reservoir of mythic power should not be mistaken as merely millenia deep. It is 600 million years deep… plumbing the very depths of male intrasexual selection that is an essential aspect of the culture of individual integrity. That culture is, in the final analysis, of a peace with the evolution of sex arising out of multicellular evolution of cellular groups.

    • Floda
      Floda says:

      What is your take on a civil war in South Africa? Do you see the various White militias being able to counter armies of low IQ Blacks? What of alliances with Cape Coloreds’? What chance of carving out a smaller part of SA for whites, any hope?

      • ex South African
        ex South African says:

        I do not live in South Africa anymore (am out of the country for nearly a decade). I follow the events on the web by reading Afrikaans websites. So I am very careful giving a definite opinion on what is happening behind the scenes of white South Africa. Especially since my comments are accessible for all readers on the web. One comment can have a lot of influence. One must contact Dr. Dan Roodt or some other conservative party (VF+, Front Nasionaal, Nasionale Konserwatiewe Party and lots of others) still inside South Africa for their opinion. I am also very careful speaking out an opinion, for I do not inadvertently want to damage their cause due to a lack of insight or a careless word here and there.

        The general opinion is that if a civil war happens, it will be initiated by the unhappy black masses and will return to intertribal warfare like in an earlier century in South Africas history. See for example this development:

        The whites will sit in the middle of it. In the past they had the white security forces which served as a buffer. I was trained as a conscript/draftee for the same purpose many years ago, so I have that exposure and insight. This buffer does not exist anymore. The military is full of soldiers withs Aids. The military still has a lot of fireforce compared to the citizenry. The senior white officers from colonel and upward are bidding their time for a pension. When they are gone, the skills are gone. I do not know if the ANC will ask the surrounding black countries to intervene in a crisis, for example the military Zimbabwe. It always is a risk asking a foreign force to intervene, also for the ANC, lest they also get political ambitions! How will Africom react? They have joint military exercises with South Africa. Europe regularly tests their weapons system in South Africa, for South Africa has the space for this. What will they do? Especially now that even their South African based companies might become the target of expropriation without compensation.

        The biggest force at the moment is the private security contractors. Bigger than the police and army combined. Many of the larger security contractors are British investors, for example Chubb security. What will they do, if push comes to shove? They also have affirmative action. Lots of the old white military have moved into that sector. Where do their loyalties lie?

        Alliances with the Cape Coloreds? It will be an alliance of convenience only. On the long run I personally would not rely on them. They must go their own separate way.

        Carving out a smaller part of S.A. has the challenge that there is no concentration of whites. They are spread thinly over South Africa. Pretoria still has a large proportion of whites. The job motor of South Africa is the Johannesburg region and surrounds. That unfortunately is also where there is a large component of non-whites. If one looks on google maps, evry white settlements has a black squatter settlement next to it. They obviously follow those that provide a means to survive, either by theft or by low wage work. The whites are not able to leave if there is no alternative industry elsewhere in the country. And large parts of South Africa, the size of Germany, is an arid region.

        I unfortunately cannot give a definitive answer at the moment. There are too many imponderables. I am waiting for the situation to crystallize a bit more, so that I can see better through the fog. It would be a great help if there could be some outside intervention which will play into the hands of the whites, say for example the very interesting developments at the moment in Europe. In a way the fate of white South Africa is tied to the fate of the whites in the West. If the West becomes healthy again, white South Africa too will benefit from it. I will be extremely pleased if things in the USA will turn for the better, but I am not betting on it.

        • pterodactyl
          pterodactyl says:

          There is a recent youtube video ‘Farmlands’ by Laura Southern that you will be interested to watch. Made by three people, meanwhile the MSM who should be reporting maintain their news blackout. The blackout cannot be maintained indefinitely, and when the ppl of the West see what is happening despite MSM collusion, this will put pressure on the govt and they might in the end be forced to help the whites, even though the traitors who rule in the West do not want to.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      S.Africa might be the trigger that wakens up the West to the nature of the Left (& their allies). It might make the apolitical think about politics and take sides.
      The apolitical follow the culture of self-hate for now, but they might not do so when they are no longer rich and safe.

      When the people in the past voted against themselves, including the whites in S.Africa voting to hand their country over to racist tribes, when the white people did this (and are still doing so eg only recently voted for Obama, & now voting for Merkel & May) they anticipated safety and prosperity and wealth lay ahead of them – which it did in S.Africa for a while, and still does…for now.

      But perhaps people will not carry on voting against themselves when their wealth and safety goes.

  19. PaleoAtlantid
    PaleoAtlantid says:

    Timing will be everything. I suspect the hostile elites would initiate a collapse and provoke civil unrest if it would serve their goals. Therefore we must not allow ourselves to be backed into a corner where our only option would be an heroic though futile defensive reaction. Our primary objective is simply to avoid defeat. United and undefeated we can ultimately win but the struggle is likely to be one of decades.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      ‘likely to be decades’
      This depends on how many wake up and which side they take.
      Let us assume:
      * There are 15% true lefties – who cannot increase their numbers any further as these people were born political and are already at maximum level.
      *There are 10% of right wing politically aware, who also were born to think along these lines.
      *The other 75% could go either way, as they could in Germany before WWII

      At present the 75% follow and bow down to the self-hate culture of the left, but that is only because of certain factors now in play, and when these factors are different, the 75% are perhaps more likely to follow the Right as the Right is in alignment with their self interest and the Left is not.

      But we really will have to do something about the 15% true left (plus allies of theirs)) eg geographical separation, as their bad genes are the cause of our downfall. Perhaps pay for a certain country to be ‘free stuff country’ & let this lure them all over there. It would be worth us paying taxes for this free stuff place as it would cause geographical separation of different genetic types.

      Factors helping the Left, which are currently keeping them dominant.
      1) MSM & education run by the left
      2) The people are rich and safe
      3) Everything is calm (for the majority) Rich white people in white areas in the West are generally oblivious to what is going on. They must be as they keep voting for more of the same.
      4) The vast wealth of the West can afford to pay a massive public sector, & in the public sector it is the left who rise to the top due to personal qualities and ability being irrelevant to promotion.

      A trigger event (eg civil war in S.Africa) could alter ‘3’ and people could wake up & start voting differently, as they already are doing in parts of Europe. (Also, the nonsense could be reversed without war if voters wake up after a trigger event)

      Basically, Merkel is the one who might have already caused the awakening, as she could not wait to boil the frogs slowly (which was working) and brought them all in at once. She was so impatient to see the downfall of the West in her lifetime that she might actually have triggered the people into waking up.

      • T. J.
        T. J. says:

        “The vast wealth of the West can afford to pay a massive public sector.” No, it cannot be afforded.

        It seems to be affordable due to (((monetary fakery))).

        The existing system would not be possible without the (((fake money))) and hee hee “Keynesian ‘economics’.”

  20. Rob Bottom
    Rob Bottom says:

    There wouldn’t be any winners in another civil war. This article only covers the political and racial divisions in our country. What about the very likely possibility of foreign intervention? Would you trust the EU, Israel, Russia, or China to remain idle observers? And what about the UN? What would stop them from sending in an international peace-keeping force?

    If South Africa hasn’t broken out into civil war with everything happening there, the possibility of an American one seem pretty remote. The left could certainly trigger one by attempting to abolish the 2nd amendment, but the Supreme Court will be in conservative hands for decades to come. Besides, they probably wouldn’t risk lighting the powder keg with such a move, as they’re far more effective doing it gradually or enforcing it at the corporate level (as they are currently doing to free speech online).

    • Pierre de Craon
      Pierre de Craon says:

      … the Supreme Court will be in conservative hands for decades to come.

      I disagree, Rob. The Court is already lost, and so I suggest, without rancor or disrespect, that you look elsewhere for solace or encouragement. Those on the Court wrongly thought of as conservatives are playing a long game. It’s merely a matter of time before they show their hand—perhaps as soon as the next avowedly anti-White administration, which might well come into power in the.2020 elections.

      • T. J.
        T. J. says:

        America was lost when the socialist “public schools” were established.

        1914- The head of USA Department of Education:
        “Now the question is raised, do the schools exists for the students, or do the students exist for the schools? The answer is the latter.”

        An open admission that the students exist for the schools, and not the other way around.

        This is enslavement. This is thought control. Mostly lying by omission.

        btw I started to question the existence of these meat processing factories at age 16, in a Government class taught by (((Marvin Figatner))). RIP Marvin.
        Palos Verdes High School designed by Richard Neutra. I wonder if Mr. Neutra knew he was designing a concentration camp. . .

        btw These so-called schools are are based on the idea that the child is State Property to be used for State purposes. Same premise as Communism.
        The Pledge of Allegiance was penned by a socialist- Francis Bellamy.

        • pterodactyl
          pterodactyl says:

          T.J. you go back a long way to see the start of the communist influence. I am sure you are correct. These ppl are always working away at it. And not so much by a co-ordinated (ie spelled out) plan, as by acting on their inner political urges. But they do not always win, or they have been winning so slowly that it gives time for people to wake up before it is too late. And a lot are now waking up since the internet arrived.

          You will be interested in Diana West

          This is one of the most profound and eye-opening interviews I have ever heard. (Others are Kevin MacDonald’s and Andrew Joyce’s and ‘Other Losses’ on Red Ice and the Land of Giants also on Red Ice)

          Diana West documents the communist infiltration and influence of the Allies throughout the War, eg in demanding ‘unconditional surrender’ in order to deliberately prolong the War in order to help Stalin take territory.

      • Charles Frey
        Charles Frey says:

        Pierre, could a Constitutional Convention, with the initial requisite votes in the House, followed by a 2/3 approval by the States, not change the Constitution beyond recognition ?

        Please explain the exact procedures to us here.

        I perceive the problem around the corner, as you, commencing at the latest in 2020: triggered by Bibi syphoning the US into his war with Iran, thereby removing a vast contingent of US Forces out of the US proper; muting the question of their loyalty to whites.

        Our new masters will unilaterally enact legislation to fill the domestic security void with foreign troops, labelling such Act with their usual euphemistic Orwellian nomenclature.

        But not until after that, yet again, ‘ progressive ‘ billionaire investment banker and half-Jew Tom Steyer has succeeded in impeaching Trump, assisted by the rest of the monumental
        ” vittshunt ” [ Yiddish spelling ]; or the election.

        That, Why and How has been decided in some Manhattan , cigar-smoke filled penthouse. And I am entirely at odds with Karl’s When; decades in the future. Neither side can afford gradualism.

        I have waited for this article for a long time: bereft, as it is, of Greek and Romans’ bathroom habits. There are still too many commenters who think legalistically instead of an ensuing vacuum.

        I don’t understand the non-response to my deep concerns regarding our vital means of communications, which will fall victim first.

        Here we are, where you and I were, even before the election, when I ventured to mention, [ symbolically ] that I intended to take my nuclear shelter out of mothballs.

        • pterodactyl
          pterodactyl says:

          “half-Jew Tom Steyer has succeeded in impeaching Trump, assisted by the rest of the monumental ” vittshunt ” [ Yiddish spelling ]; or the election”

          This is why the R has to give Trump a break over his support of Israel. One man can only take on so much at once. If he did not support them there would be a price to pay, ie they might take him down by impeachment.

          The swamp cannot be drained all at once, or all by one president.

      • Bobby
        Bobby says:

        Pierre, on the Supreme Court and its loyalties, my mind was made up some time ago. What kind of Supreme Court, can’t even decide, or refuses to decide, who is or is not an American citizen.

        • Pierre de Craon
          Pierre de Craon says:

          Indeed, Bobby. But surely the (((official interpreters))) of the Court’s actions would respond that only those who fail to swim in history’s approved currents would think that citizenship is more important than finding rights to homosexual “marriage” and abortion on demand in the Constitution. On the latter two matters the Court has been a model of decisiveness.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      “If South Africa hasn’t broken out into civil war with everything happening there, the possibility of an American one seem pretty remote.”
      The situation is slightly different. The whites in S.Africa are heavily outnumbered. Also, at the back of their minds they retain the idea that surely the West would offer them sanctuary as refugees if it kicks off, so all they have to do is flee en mass, form a defensive group, and then emigrate to the West. The question is, will the anti-Western traitors who rule in most of the West allow these conservative whites to come to their countries? Will the traitors who rule the West in collusion with the MSM be able to get away with keeping out the genuine white refugees whilst continuing to flood us with the 3rd world ones?

  21. TheOldOne
    TheOldOne says:

    Would not urban/suburban be a much better label than urban/rural? How many people actually live in rural areas nowadays? Maybe 3% of the population, and many of that 3% are black or Hispanic. The suburbs are where most Whites are living. Why not state the obvious?

  22. N. Joseph Potts
    N. Joseph Potts says:

    Civil war … where’s Gleichschaltung when we “need” it? Did Hitler and his Nazis avert civil war in Germany in 1933?

  23. Fenria
    Fenria says:

    I don’t foresee an actual all out war between two neatly chosen sides taking place here in the US, but I do foresee racial skirmishes continuing and becoming more violent, e.g., Italy’s years of lead. As these skirmishes and conflicts become more regular, look for the police in every city, and even smaller towns, to become actual paramilitary jackboot forces, south America style. The government will increasingly attempt to disarm the people, and may succeed to some extent as bewildered, blue pilled normies cower, terrified, at the perpetual racial tensions and demand that guns be taken away instead of actually confronting the racial mess that they themselves helped create. Whatever shape the coming conflicts will take, I agree, let it be sooner than later. Let this all come to a head now in my time, and not in my son’s time.

  24. Tim Folke
    Tim Folke says:

    This is a fantastic essay, one which balances realistic optimism with stark reality.

    What caught my eye was the second graph which showed ‘blue’ America versus ‘red’ America. Red America encompassed nearly all the rural areas, while blue America was overwhelmingly defined by a few blue skyscrapers in big cities (New York, Frisco, Chicago, Seattle, etc.) Having lived both in big cities and in some very, very primitive rural areas, I know the chances for survival in the event of a ‘Civil War II’ are much better in the wilderness than on the corner of Hollywood & Vine.

    The author of this article also voices this observation, saying :”In general, the White/rural side is well-positioned for Civil War II at this time. Whites are still overrepresented in the main types of social control where violence is a possible outcome. For starters, the White/rural side is relatively well armed. A Pew survey found that White men were the most likely group to own a gun”.

    In the countryside, I can get water from streams (boiling it if the water is doubtful), have a large garden and kill animals for food, and have wood for heat in winter. I am well armed, and do not have to worry about water shortages, ravaging hordes of non-whites looking to murder for food or steal money or rape White women or girls, blocked highways, power outages, cessation of other utilities, lack of police protection in the face of rioting non-whites, food shortages, etc.

    Long story short, if sh*t does hit the fan as this article suggests many very well happen, do we want to be part of the blue skyscrapers on that map with its obvious vulnerabilities, or on the on fields of the red?

    The sweet thing is that we all get what we work for, and the libtardians and Jews will be rewarded accordingly.

    The author knows this too, as he states berlow the

  25. Earl Oill
    Earl Oill says:

    It would have been nice if the survey had asked respondents who the parties to the civil war would be. Whites are overwhelmingly pro-Trump unless you count Jews, who are overwhelmingly anti-Trump, and largely control blacks and Hispanics. But blacks and Hispanics are largely indifferent to Trump’s sins. They’ll vote Dem to get the bennies but they don’t care about gay rights or women’s rights or the Holocaust. The main thing is that the Jews control the money, the courts, the schools, the ‘Deep State’ and therefore the military, which is by now sufficiently brainwashed that soldiers would be willing to gun down their neighbors. Instead of fighting a civil war it would be better first to attain the capability of stating our opinions openly!

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      Trenchant gives a v. interesting link. So there are thousands of ‘soldiers’ making comments on social media – PAID FOR BY THE GOVT. I still find this hard to believe, as it is the government paying people to support them on social media.

      The problem with this strategy when implemented by a western country such as Britain, (ie not Js) is that if these ‘online soldiers’ were simply a cross section, the problem is that after a short time on social media, an ordinary cross section of soldiers would soon be on the side of the Right. Therefore the selection process must be including finding out the political views of the soldiers, and giving only the committed lefties this job (and maybe they are excused the physical part of the job) (It is easy to find the committed lefties – just review their Twitter history – the govt would be paying them to do full time what they currently do part time). As well as recruiting lefties, there is a drive to recruit more mslms into the army and they would be ideal for such a role as their loyalty to the government’s treachery would be guaranteed (on a case by case basis ie put them on certain topics where their loyalty for the govt is certain eg the Tommy Robinson topic). Part of the role is to report ‘hate posts’.

      But as for Jewish ‘soldiers’ engaging in the same, there is less problem with Js drifting away from the narrative. I had an interaction recently on Twitter with Js in Katie Hopkin’s Twitter account & got the impression that the Js I was interacting with were young and politically naive, as all they could do was say their insult words ‘you must be an anti-semite’ etc.

      I suspect that if the govt uses this method, that part of the training will be to be abusive in social media in interactions with the ‘far right’. This provokes some on the R to be abusive back and go too far in the words used. This can then be used against them either to close their Twitter account or recorded for future use (‘evidence’).

      This is why we must assume as we write that the authorities have a recording of everything we put online. Eg I try to say ‘some Js are hostile’ and not ‘Js are hostile’. It is also worth keeping sensitive information on USBs and not on PCs, as if we ever get a visit (I think visits are 8 a week or 8 a day in Britain) they will take the computer.

      They took away the computer of a man and arrested him, who allegedly wrote a sentence in a blog ‘they can do what they likey’ where ‘likey’ rhymes with an offensive word for a gypsie.–anti-gipsy–email-didn-t-write.html

      This was 2010 and I realised there was no hope (unless the mood changes) for Britain when there was no outcry following his arrest for this single comment.

      Eight years later and Andrew Emery is JAILED FOR 2 YEARS for posting about burning down mosques. 2 YEARS!

      I looked up the story in the largest on-line British paper the Daily Mail but they did not carry it for some reason.

      It is depressing that this happens and the people hardly seem to bother about it. The right should unite and get behind Tommy Robinson as the ‘leader’ of the movement to counter this government clamp down on ppl posting, and leave the squabbling over whether the Js have persuaded TR that they are our allies – leave the squabbling about that for later when the right has some actual power.

  26. m___
    m___ says:

    There are many lines that cross, concerning loyalty and how conflict initiates, continues and is interpreted, along a time line.

    Ethnicity, territory, national ID(identificating with nation state prerogatives as interpreted(itself quite layered), historical cognizance, testosterone, formal knowledge(what is memorized long term), IQ(potential to interprete non-linear variables in this case), family, caste, class, clan, gender, inertia(induced by fear, to not take action), the proportionate individual-collectivity factor and more…

    Evidently most variables will fade away to the background, in the name of binary public logic, when closer to conflict. In all, prediction is chaotical, in ongoing conflicts more variables arize, an accelleration of mass interference is about the only thing that can be proferred.

    With regard to the context of the article, within the environment, we are not really convinced that in the end the White Identity, ethnical alignment is the most important one, though essential. Especially within the middle classes, ethnical divides could become choice to be overcome by “consumerist” opportunism, as such to rally to whatever central policy of the elites if material concessions are made. Do not forget that the middle class is essentially the mercenary class by nature, the “washing machine” culture(consumerism) will be hard to erase. That makes the deplorable basically a blob of ineffective change vectors, easy to outwit, neutralize, getto-ize, and increasingly easier to eugenize socially(smaller numbers, fine-grained herding, picking of “head of snake”‘s.

    Thus, ethnicity, nor territorial borders(frankly starting a revolution on the premises of the US territory specifically would not hold and overflow at the least to Canada when Whites were involved as a determining factor, would come second place.

    The big danger of relative long term change of policies would rather come from obscure sources as a Julian Assange, affecting the disgrunted part of the middle class, into action pulling the consenting part along, inviting the outliers within all classes to rally for their interests, and usurp the masses, bulk humanity, regardless of ethnic divides and territory at the commanding level. A “Middle Class” antidote to Jew strategies and tactics.

    If anything serious, policy wise, effectively conflictual, comes up, that is where we put our bets. It would be a different kind of globalism but a global phenomenon altogether, time to revise our terminology.

  27. PaleoAtlantid
    PaleoAtlantid says:

    All this talk of a very ‘uncivil’ war being inflicted upon us, or at least as something beyond our control, suggests an innate passivity, or a passive mental attitude we have become conditioned to accept. Are we or are we not masters of our fate? Why do we perpetually wait on events and think to ourselves ‘surely the government won’t do that’, and when it does something harmful to White people we moan but eventually accept it.
    We should be cautious and not engage in any wild potentially counter-productive schemes, but perhaps the time is approaching when reading the thriller Day of the Jackal, or examining the historical actions of one Guido Fawkes would not be remiss.

  28. pterodactyl
    pterodactyl says:

    “I expected the hatred toward Whites to be held in check until the glorious future when Whites are a minority and relatively powerless.”
    They were doing very well slowly boiling the frog, but then they could not help themselves and wanted to speed things up (mass immigration). This was a terrible strategy, as the outcome was to awaken the sleeping majority – who are not natural lefties, merely culture-followers. But then the tactics of the Left are merely the summation of the parts and not a co-ordinated plan.

    • T. J.
      T. J. says:

      The frog story has nothing to do with boiling. It has to do with degrees of warmness.

      First frog is put in very warm water, frog panics and jumps to safety- he can sense the danger.

      Second frog is put in tepid water. The temp is slowly raised- the frog cannot sense the incremental changes and thinks things are A-OK. Things are not OK, but the frog cannot tell.
      Finally the water is too hot for survival, the frog expires without ever knowing what hit him.

      Gradual changes = gradual ruination.

      Often called Fabian Socialism. . .

      “The Fabian Society is a British socialist organization whose purpose is to advance the principles of democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow.” [Wiki] [Marxism in slow motion]

      What is the Fabian policy?

      “a policy like that of Fabius Maximus, who, by carefully avoiding decisive contests, foiled Hannibal, harassing his army by marches, countermarches, and ambuscades; a policy of delays and cautions. . .”

      • pterodactyl
        pterodactyl says:

        I should have said ‘heating’ not ‘boiling’. The point being that Merkel suddenly turned up the heat (open door immigration) which was a bad move as the slow heating was working so well.

        The rest of the post is very interesting and I did not know about the origin of ‘Fabian’

        This (bad tactics, own goals by the left) shows the left will not necessarily win just because they have done so well for so long by the earlier strategy of changing things slowly and patiently. Maybe they were not being patient after all and always simply did whatever they could get away with all along, and in the past they got away with less as there were still a lot of conservatives in the legal system & politics & media, but who have now shrunk as a proportion over the decades due to the phenomenon of certain types gravitating to certain professions.

        But now I remain astounded that despite all the trouble from the rapid immigration, despite this the people are in the main still voting for more of the same. In the past when we were being gradually warmed up I assumed that if only the people knew what was planned for the West (transformation to multi racial) they would object and vote to stop it. But now I see they do not. I can only assume that the TV message successfully keeps the people in a state of submissive acceptance of their fate, by defining the culture as one in which we must lie down on the floor.

  29. pterodactyl
    pterodactyl says:

    “although a minority of Whites would be on the urban/non-White side,”
    They certainly would. It reminds me of those females in the aid industry who put themselves at the mercy of the immigrants & then get killed by them.
    Such whites will not last long. This will be natural selection in action again, which is currently not operating in Western countries

  30. Karen T
    Karen T says:

    Sadly, a revolution or civil war will result in the deaths of thousand’s of innocents. Meanwhile the Podhoretz’s, Spectre’s, Ignatiev’s, Trudeau’s and Macron’s, and their whores the Fonda’s, Clooney’s and De Niro’s will sit it out in their fortressed mansions and private islands.

    • pterodactyl
      pterodactyl says:

      Karen – after the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union all the villains in the end just got let off. There was no comeback for them. Merkel’s past in E Germany did not hinder her career. I hope this is not the case again in the aftermath of the civil unrest, and I hope those who helped bring down the West end up getting the fate they deserve.

  31. Ed Connelly
    Ed Connelly says:

    KMAC wrote, “In general, the higher ranks of the officer corps are increasingly White (Air Force).”

    True, perhaps, but the current Chief of Staff of the Air Force just “happens” to be Jewish (David L. Goldfein). The current and last two Secretaries of the Air Force have been women, though I’m not sure how that would play out with respect to today’s article on a civil war.

    I’m sure TOO readers more familiar with the military could comment on this. From Wiki, I found that:

    “The Chief of Staff of the Air Force held by a four-star general in theUnited States Air Force, and is the most senior uniformed officer assigned to serve in the Department of the Air Force, and as such is the principal military advisor and a deputy to the Secretary of the Air Force . . . The Chief of Staff is typically the highest-ranking officer on active-duty in the U.S. Air Force unless the Chairman and/or the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are Air Force officers.”

      • Pierre de Craon
        Pierre de Craon says:

        Well remembered!

        I wonder whether Mikey is still on active duty—or did he in fact ever enter upon it, given all the anti-Chosen hostility the delicate flower encountered?

    • Pierre de Craon
      Pierre de Craon says:

      I’m sure TOO readers more familiar with the military could comment on this.

      I can tell you a little bit, Ed.

      Exactly fifty years ago, when I was in Vietnam, I crossed paths with a sizable number of Jews, but that was so because I was a medical corpsman stationed at 4th Division headquarters and thus had a lot of contact with physicians and surgeons, many of whom were Jews. All of them had been drafted, as I was.* Whatever else may be said about those doctors, they hated the army as much as we enlisted draftees did. Still, that was pretty much the limit of Jewish-Gentile solidarity.

      All military and naval physicians carry officer rank, of course. I never encountered or heard of a Jewish officer who was not an MD, yet there must have been a few in my division or, if not, elsewhere in Vietnam. Nothing comparable to Jewish numbers in the population at large, however.

      Among the enlisted men there was a surprisingly sizable number of Jews in the division-wide administration department, notably the computerized record-keeping unit.** Yet in every case known to me, these admin Jews had been drafted and had then taken the army’s heavily pushed option of accepting a third year in uniform in return for being given the right to choose a noncombat occupational specialty in which to be trained (i.e., rather than take the better-than-even odds of assignment to combat training) and to be guaranteed subsequent duty assignment in that specialty.

      Apart from these guys, the only Jewish enlisted man I ever encountered was the one Jewish chaplain’s assistant. Aside from the fact that he was really ugly, stupid, and foul tempered, the thing I recall about him was that he was the first Jew I’d ever met who called virtually every Christian who crossed his path an anti-Semite. In that sense, he prepared me for the past forty-nine years of civilian life.
      *One of those Jewish doctors offered me a job working for him, a job that got me out of the field. I still feel that I may very well owe him my life.
      **My memories of the Admin unit are very warm—or rather, very cool. Because it housed what now would be called the army’s primitive computerized equipment, the big Admin structure was the only work environment, aside from division HQ (the commanding general’s bailiwick), that was air-conditioned. Needless to say, I was not the only GI who was glad to have an excuse to drop into Admin, even for five minutes.

  32. Sam J.
    Sam J. says:

    “…civilians, no matter how well armed, are no match for a trained military equipped with the latest technology…”

    This is not true unless there is an all out war of extermination. There’s more hunters permits in one State, Pennsylvania, than there are troops in the US Army. The gov. has lots of armored personal carriers but you have to get out of these to control the territory. hey don’t have the man power and they can’t count on the loyalty of those they have. Firearm ownership is the poor Mans nuke to keep them from doing to us what the Jews did to the Russians.

    • James Bowery
      James Bowery says:

      For those convinced that “a military equipped with the latest technology” are likely to defeat an armed citizenry, I can heartily recommend Project Appleseed marksmanship training events. These events require the investment of a weekend during which basic marksmanship skills are taught in the context of details about the War for Independence.

      Leviathan lacks self-awareness in a critical dimension:

      Historically, Leviathan’s sexual humiliation of men under its control serves a purpose: Build up rage to be released by Leviathan in controlled channels such as law enforcement and war. However, Leviathan’s recent parasitic castration of The Nation of Settlers under its control has built up that rage to overflowing into channels outside its control. To be sure, there is now an abundance of castrati eating into the numbers of men who have a will to fight. And, to be sure, modern technology permits castrati to, even without the will to fight, sit behind gaming consoles controlling drone strikes as they would an avatar in “their mothers’ basements”. And, to be sure, advances in artificial intelligence are shifting the castrati toward those yet-to-be-automated tasks in the mass production of drones. And, to be sure, gathering of data on individuals permits the efficient targeting and neutralization of the remnant of the Nation of Settlers that are the most likely threats to Leviathan.

      However, the moment it becomes apparent that Leviathan has made its move, it will be strategically targeted by the remnant of the Nation of Settlers. Even if Leviathan wipes out 80% of those men in a first-strike, the remaining 20% will simply target Leviathan’s logistics including the control centers such as New York City, Washington D.C. Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay area (including Silicon Valley) and the Pacific Northwest manufacturing centers. The first piece of infrastructure in these centers to go will be the electrical grid. The second will be the water supplies.

      All of the men empowered by the internalization of positive network externalities will be killed within months, including not just Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Jack Dorsey and Tim Cook, but their Indian court toadies and possibly the “bottom women” of their corporate concubinage.

  33. RoyAlbrecht
    RoyAlbrecht says:

    Since the latest post at TOO are musings about the state of society and the White West and,
    this post is conjecturing about civil war,
    would it be permissible if I muse about WW3 within the context of a civil war in White Nations?

    1) If it is one thing I have noticed about Trump, it is that he is hard to predict and, what ever one expects the least from Trump is the precise thing he pulls out of his hat next.

    2) Keeping the above in mind, who would have predicted that just before sabre rattling in the face of North Korea, Trump suddenly does an about face and has a summit with the “…Glorious Leader…” in Indonesia that is supposedly to usher in a new era of peace…., all the while Trump is taking domestic credit for it just before the midterms.

    3) However, seeing that;
    A) “…Jews…” have been the root of communism not only in Russia, where it has apparently died off, but also in China, North Korea, and several other Nations,
    B) Jews started investing in Chinese “…Joint Venture Multinational Corporations…” around 1993~4 and,
    at a rate that was approximately inversely proportional to that at which they arranged the gutting of the American Industrial Heartland of its production capacity while
    mediating the sale of the American Bankrupt Industries/Banks to(((China?))) and,
    C) Jews have been making steady inroads not only into the Chinese economy,
    but into the Chinese gene pool and psyche as well as
    the intelligence apparatus
    (i.e. What Triple an Quadruple Dealing Intermediary Nation sold N. Korea, China, even Russia et al,
    not only much of its nuclear technology but,
    other industrial secrets over the last 25 years?)
    [hint…; country, sh!tty, little, Middle East.];
    is it not possible that;
    A) since South Korean Nukes are under (((USA))) military base control,
    B) now that Trump has “…made peace…” with North Korea that has literally nothing to fear from the South (Quite the opposite is in fact true);
    the (((USA))) may just back-stab South Korea and help North Korea take over not only the South, but the entirety of Japan as well?

    Sabre rattling with Russia and having the East Block Nations free of African Refuse has in fact accelerated Russian armament production and helped destroy the economies of the Wester EU,
    so there may be a point after an EU-African Civil War that Russia along with the East Block will be able to take over Western Europe.

    Lastly, concerning the USA; –
    if Jews have created safe havens for themselves in the remnants of the communist regimes,
    have been selling theses regimes stolen high tech military technology through Israel for decades and…,
    see the end of their power in a West that is now ripe for and heading towards a civil war; –
    does it not make sense that Jews will not only abandon the USA just before the fighting starts and head for the Communist countries that they have been helping for the last few decades but,
    also help Communist Nations arm the Third World Minority now firmly entrenched within the USA?

  34. Richard B
    Richard B says:

    To Kevin and TOO Readers: Great article and comments! I wanted to add something from Machiavelli relevant to this topic. It’s the seventh paragraph of the third chapter of The Prince. I’ve inserted notes. The whole chapter (and book) is a real eye-opener in light of what’s going on in general and Kevin’s article in particular. I realize this is a week after the article’s publication. But if anyone should read this I’d be interested in their take on it. Thanks.

    “The other and better course is to send colonies to one or two places, which may be as keys to that state, for it is necessary either to do this or else to keep there a great number of cavalry and infantry.

    I’d replace Machiavelli’s “colonies” with Migrants. It’s obvious that the Hostile Elite are trying to do both, ie; Immigrants/UN Armed Forces.

    “A prince does not spend much on colonies, for with little or no expense he can send them out and keep them there, and he offends a minority only of the citizens from whom he takes lands and houses to give them to the new inhabitants; and those whom he offends, remaining poor and scattered, are never able to injure him.”

    Obviously, this is what the Hostile Elite, or, Jewish Supremacy, is doing to poor Whites, which is why they simultaneously bombard poor Whites (all Whites) ambush-style with insults using a propaganda machine the likes of which the world has never known. A propaganda machine that would make Stalin drool with envy, ie; Google, Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, and the MSM, Education from K-12 to the Phd, as well as Business and Government. David has become Goliath while still pretending they’re David.

    “whilst the rest being uninjured are easily kept quiet, and at the same time are anxious not to err for fear it should happen to them as it has to those who have been despoiled”

    A better definition of a PC Cuck would be impossible to imagine. And, as we all know, there are plenty on both the Right/Republican and Indepenent side, not just the Left.

    “In conclusion, I say that these colonies are not costly, they are more faithful, they injure less, and the injured, as has been said, being poor and scattered, cannot hurt. Upon this, one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge.”

    I doubt if there’s a single, faithful TOO reader who needs help filling in the blanks with that one. But, I don’t want to speak for you, nor have you asked me to. So, just in case, and possibly for the JIDF Trolls who visit here to see how things are coming along from our side, I’ll spell it out.

    “these colonies are not costly”, Again, “colonies” in this context refers to Migrants, and they certainly aren’t costly, since we’re paying for them. Which means we’re paying for our own displacement, which means they’re trying to crush us, which means that there is no reason to allow ourselves to be judged as morally interior by a people trying to crush us. That would be an example of someone crying while they’re beating you, ie; Sick and Crazy. Why continue to allow ourselves to be judged and ruled by a sick and crazy people who hate us? Only a dog could go on living like that.

    But, I have to say, not even Machiavelli anticpated this level of sneaky treachery. It’s well worth pointing out that the world has never seen the likes of it before. Not to this extent. We certainly didn’t see it coming and to the extent we did we didn’t handle it well. That’s obvious. Still, though it’s understandable that we made this mistake, it’s no longer necessary for us to continue to make it.

    So we’re up against something novel which requires original thinking and intelligent, well-thoughtout solutions, which has to be based on cooperation and unity (despite our many differences).

    For that we’d need an organizing principle. I would suggest first, that of simply Survival. The second, Freedom. Freedom from and Freedom for. Freedom from the Hostile Elite and their evil designs for us; and Freedom for ourselves to continue to preserve and develop a great 3,000 year old tradition from the Greeks, the Romans, the Christians, and now us.

    We don’t need to ask them for premission to survive. What do you think their answer would be anyway? And we certainly are not obligated to surrender our basic freedoms. So, it’s time to organize and fight back. And that’s happening now. This isn’t over by a long shot.

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